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is liam howlett a genius?

is liam howlett a genius?

  • yes, a music mastermind

    Votes: 13 30.2%

  • no, talented but doesnt live up to the greats

    Votes: 18 41.9%

  • no, fairly dated and limited

    Votes: 12 27.9%
  • Total voters
    43
Cheesypoof said:
why isnt he as good as mozart in your opinion? i can explain why he is.
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Go on then, teach me.

I'm trying to learn music theory at the moment and would love to have this extra bit of knowledge.

I can play guitar well enough but the theory does my head in.

Yours

DCB
 
killer b said:
anyway, on second thoughts i want to hear cheesy's explanation about how howlett is as good as mozart...
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i already explained, but if i must again, it is based to my mind on very fast, complex, melodies placed on top of each other in perfectly harmonious systems of iconography. The precision is perfect mostly. Prince, mozart and liam howlett all do this in very different ways, liam has opressed his level for a while and only has a shard of genius as opposed to Prince or Mozart, where it seems more constant. but while Liam did revel in his brilliance, he managed to race similarly. he qualifies as a genius IMO because like the other two can manage to get the precision and melodies perfect, in a clean swathe that kind of appeals to emotions and universal things too.
 
i could analogise it tune by tune, verse by verse, chord by chord, beat by beat, colour by colour, taste by taste, but i am tired now.

will do this some time for you no probs tho :)
 
Cheesypoof said:
i already explained, but if i must again, it is based to my mind on very fast, complex, perfectly melodies on top of each other in systems of iconography. Prince, mozart and liam howlett all do this in very different ways, liam has opressed his level for a while but while he did, he managed to race similarly. these three sing from different hymn sheets but operate in similar veins.
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I think I've just shit my self laughing. Sorry :(
 
Smoky said:
The word genius is thrown about far too readily these days, very few people should really have the title of genius IMO. People like Mozart, Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Sigmund Freud etc these are the real geniuses.
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not sure about freud being a genius actually.

mozart and einstein yes.
 
Dead Cat Bounce said:
I think I've just shit my self laughing. Sorry :(
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give me a challenging, highly detailed, and well explained rebuttle straight from your own mind and no one elses and i will listen to you.:)
 
cheesy - how do you define something like a tune as 'perfect'? i could understand if he was doing anything avant garde or whatever, but the patterns of notes, chord sequences and the like that howlett used on the first couple of albums were all very conventional, and the rave stylings he was using were hardly new... he had a good eye for samples and the production is excellent, granted, but it wasn't really anything new.

surely a genius has to push things forward, which mozart (and perhaps prince) certainly did. the prodigy didn't...
 
Cheesypoof said:
not sure about freud being a genius actually.

mozart and einstein yes.
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Yeah his theories are controversial but he basically invented psychoanalysis, that's pretty fucking clever in my book, he will certainly be remembered in 250years time.
 
killer b said:
cheesy - how do you define something like a tune as 'perfect'? i could understand if he was doing anything avant garde or whatever, but the patterns of notes, chord sequences and the like that howlett used on the first couple of albums were all very conventional, and the rave stylings he was using were hardly new... he had a good eye for samples and the production is excellent, granted, but it wasn't really anything new.

surely a genius has to push things forward, which mozart (and perhaps prince) certainly did. the prodigy didn't...
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he just about limps in and qualifies because of shards and swathes of it. I use the first two albums which have groundbreaking melodies, with several other melodies layerd on top, and like slices of sounds as reference. Have a relisten, then listen to a mozart symphony, then listen to purple rain. then get back to me.
 
killer b said:
cheesy - how do you define something like a tune as 'perfect'? i could understand if he was doing anything avant garde or whatever, but the patterns of notes, chord sequences and the like that howlett used on the first couple of albums were all very conventional, and the rave stylings he was using were hardly new... he had a good eye for samples and the production is excellent, granted, but it wasn't really anything new.

surely a genius has to push things forward, which mozart (and perhaps prince) certainly did. the prodigy didn't...
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something doesnt have to be brand new for it to be genius.
 
but the melodies aren't groundbreaking though. srsly, i've listened to them enough to be able to say that without needing to check... conventional structure, conventional progression, conventional chord sequences. they're good albums, no question. but he isn't a genius.

sorry. :(
 
killer b said:
but the melodies aren't groundbreaking though. srsly, i've listened to them enough to be able to say that without needing to check... conventional structure, conventional progression, conventional chord sequences. they're good albums, no question. but he isn't a genius.

sorry. :(
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they are totally groundbreaking IMO. Honestly have a listen back to the first two albums - listen to them loud, then listen to a mozart symphony, then purple rain.

Its not anything exciting what i am suggesting. it makes sense surely :cool:
 
killer b said:
have you heard much other rave music, cheese?
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yeh squat parties and years of it.

i dont use any references for what i believe in though, i like things in isolation, and if i can create more sandcastles out of them, good :cool:
 
killer b said:
how can you say something is groundbreaking if you are listening to it in isolation? this doesn't compute...
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i am interested in something that kind of appears to be narrative but with something close to a non-hierarchical relationship between the time and character of the music or the landscape and the character. It’s difficult to do that. It requires pulling back in ways unnatural to that form-not allowing characters to develop in ways they want to develop, or in ways a listener wants them to be developed. hope that explains why i see the same colours with the three.
 
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