I'm pretty sure the Queen can have anyone she wants for her Prime Minister.
Is Labour re-electable with Gordon at the helm?
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I'm pretty sure the Queen can have anyone she wants for her Prime Minister.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
Even if that were true which I don't think it would there is no way Blair could have held on until this election.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
True, members of the House of Lords can still become Prime Ministers. Happened a bit in the 18th and 19th centuries.
scifisam
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I'm not sure that's true. I was reading about something similar the other day, and members of the House of Lords can be PM as well as someone who was actually elected.
Major in 1992 still had the core Tory vote who were loyal to the Party even if they didn't like him. Anti-Tories thought he's lose anyway and so didn't vote hence in 1997 them made damn sure he was out on his ear.
A week may be a long time in politics, as might 3 months until November of till next year but Brown will still lose - the question is how far he will fall and what will be left of the LP to be picked over.
A week may be a long time in politics, as might 3 months until November of till next year but Brown will still lose - the question is how far he will fall and what will be left of the LP to be picked over.
newbie
undisambiguated
I think that's right, but I thought that after the invasion, and was very, very wrong then. Without the glittering prize of Pres of Europe he might well have stayed.
scifisam
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
afaik, the last Lord to be PM resigned his peerage before taking the PM seat.
Not specifically banned like.
Not specifically banned like.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
This is what I mean about the conference. If there are substantial rumblings from the honest-we're-evil tories about their true intentions (slash and burn everything), or if the European wound starts to supperate, it won't be an easy call.
A huge amount will rely on the economy as well - if we're out of recession, and NL can build a narrative around the concept of 'Intervention worked, look at XXXX' it could be an interesting election.
But like I said, ask me in March next year.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
... or with anyone else in charge.
The Prime Minister doesn't technicall need to be in either house - and anyway Mandleson will soon be able to renounce his life peerage with the new bill going through. There is an arguement that no-one in government should also be in Parliament so as to remove the payrole vote - instead they would appear a the bar of the couse and be cross examined by the House and so separate the powers of the executive from the legislature.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Let's hypnotise her to want Graham from Corrie.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
ah, yeah. I hadn't considered the issue that rives the tories. It will remain to be seen wether they choose solidarity and decide to stick together in pursuit of power, or rip each other apart over this issue.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
The Tories still aren't properly rid of Thatcher. While there's still a strong Thatcherite contingent in the party, at both lower and higher echelons (i.e. local constituency to Tebbit), and a strong Little England grouping even if they got into power there's no guaranteeing that they'd stick together for more than 1 term.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
I don't think Europe will be that much of a problem for Cameron. Labour will of course do their damnest to divide the party on these lines but Cameron doesn't really face that much dissent among party ranks...yet. His pro-trade anti-federalist stance is what most Tory voters agree on anyway.
No and they would be even less re-electable if they went bonkers and brought someone else in.
Tories are a cert.
not if they let loose people like that arsehole with him NHS comments, i guess it depends on how well they can get their MPs to keep quiet.
They are the enemies of every decent person and will make even New Labour look like Saint Bob Geldof!!
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
In a sexual way.
Beanburger
Deep Fried
Reminds me of the old classic.
Knock knock.
Who's there?
Margaret.
Margaret who?
A week's a long time in politics.
Labout ain't got a snowball's chance in hell. I do agree that Tone might have brought 'em home a fourth term, but only by a slender margin. Voters are wary of change, and they like governments who appear strong.
jiggajagga
Judge_Mental
I'll bet anyone a tenner that if the tories win next year and slash and burn their way through the country as they did in the 1980s, within 5 yrs you will all wish you had kept lovely, incompetent, dull, Gordon !
" Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it"!!!!
" Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it"!!!!
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
I'll bet anyone a tenner that if the tories win next year and slash and burn their way through the country as they did in the 1980s, within 5 yrs you will all wish you had kept lovely, incompetent, dull, Gordon !
" Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it"!!!!
That long? This board'll be howling within 6 months.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
I'd like to change my vote to the third option please.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Personally I think Gordon is not doing too badly.
He has an awful TV persona and could really do with help on it. He smiles insincerely and gulps air in a most odd manner. Margaret Thatcher changed her voice in order to come across better, I think Gordon Brown if he is serious about being and remaining prime minister should do some equally cutting self analysis.
He is serious, not a lightweight, commands some respect in the world and imho does not do too badly at PMQs.
Cameron by comparison is the ex PR old Etonian who has a baby face and I rate lower than Haigue. Cameron may not win it but Brown could lose it if he does not come across better.
People said the same things about Major. Face to face he is charming and has a great sense of humour, they said that about Major and they are saying it about Brown.
He has an awful TV persona and could really do with help on it. He smiles insincerely and gulps air in a most odd manner. Margaret Thatcher changed her voice in order to come across better, I think Gordon Brown if he is serious about being and remaining prime minister should do some equally cutting self analysis.
He is serious, not a lightweight, commands some respect in the world and imho does not do too badly at PMQs.
Cameron by comparison is the ex PR old Etonian who has a baby face and I rate lower than Haigue. Cameron may not win it but Brown could lose it if he does not come across better.
People said the same things about Major. Face to face he is charming and has a great sense of humour, they said that about Major and they are saying it about Brown.
newbie
undisambiguated
Me too. I don't like the mans politics but he's got far more to him than Cameron or any of the other tory nonentities. He got the timing of his first leadership bid hopelessly wrong, should have waited for Blair to start looking tired, so he's biding his time now.
They would love to attack the fact he is gay but would also have to restrain themself.i think the best brown can hope for is an hung parliament but its not going to happen
scifisam
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I'll bet anyone a tenner that if the tories win next year and slash and burn their way through the country as they did in the 1980s, within 5 yrs you will all wish you had kept lovely, incompetent, dull, Gordon !
" Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it"!!!!
Very few people on here are 'asking for' a Tory government.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Voting for the third way is what got us into this mess.
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