Is it time to build a memorial to the victims of the British Empire?

[butchersapron]

And had you read the links I posted you would see that the US and UK are doing exactly that in Iraq, but with bells on. The UK will stay there as long as the US does.

No, they are not. They are not destroying the indigenous cotton (whatever) industry to be replaced with the massive importation of finished products. They are not pouring excess capital in to use cheap labour. They are not doing a damn thing that makes this like classical imperialism or colonialism - if anything it's a break and a rupture in post-war international relations. It's going beyong the financial model.

 

[Firky]

At the time in question I was a member of the Federation of Conservative Students. But I was also a member of Amnesty and opposed to capital punishment, now and then.

 

[butchersapron]

What page?

How can I have missed the point, you say modern coloniolism is all about money, trade and finance, which seems to suggest that past coloniolism was something completely different altogether, which it wasn't.

Well that's your first mistake george. I suggested that the mechanisms that were used to achieve these things were different in the period of classcial colonialism, not that these motivations weren't foremost.

 

[sleaterkinney]

No, they are not. They are not destroying the indigenous cotton (whatever) industry to be replaced with the massive importation of finished products. They are not pouring excess capital in to use cheap labour. They are not doing a damn thing that makes this like classical imperialism or colonialism - if anything it's a break and a rupture in post-war international relations. It's going beyong the financial model.

By 'exactly that' I meant the neo-colonialism that was in your post and which I was replying to, are you having trouble following threads today or something?

 

[Belushi]

I had the misfortune to share a house for a while with an ex-member of the Federation of Conservative Students, he was basically a fascist (and I'm not one for lobbing that term at anyone who disagrees with me).

 

[Firky]

What page?

How can I have missed the point, you say modern coloniolism is all about money, trade and finance, which seems to suggest that past coloniolism was something completely different altogether, which it wasn't.

He didn't say that. What he means in the past there had to be a strong and clear presence. Where as now it is more of a donkey and carrot method. As I said earlier, we're still at it - just doing it differently.

 

[butchersapron]

By 'exactly that' I meant the neo-colonialism that was in your post and which I was replying to, are you having trouble following threads today or something?

Am i having trouble with posts like this - it's exactly the same, no it's not, yes it is, no it really isn't - ok it's not, but that's what i meant anyway.

 

[Firky]

I had the misfortune to share a house for a while with an ex-member of the Federation of Conservative Students, he was basically a fascist (and I'm not one for lobbing that term at anyone who disagrees with me).

My mate's mate is one, a fascist in a suit. Very clever boke too which is quite the scary thing. I told him to get the fuck out of my house one night when my mate brought him round. Normally I don't say boo to a ghost but I was drunk.

 

[untethered]

This is fun.

Alan's New Labour now, of course.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Am i having trouble with posts like this - it's exactly the same, no it's not, yes it is - ok it's not, but that's what i meant anyway.

Have you been drinking butchersapron?.

I'm sure you make sense to yourself.....

 

[butchersapron]

It follows the trajectory of your most recent posts. Most accurately!

 

[Poi E]

the Belgian state took over its operation and turned it into a model colony, with a good system of law and order, education, healthcare etc.

Hah ha nice one. That would explain why when the Congo achieved independence there was not a single local doctor trained by the Belgians.

 

[sleaterkinney]

It follows the trajectory of your most recent posts. Most accurately!

No, that was you dogmatically trying to prove the point that it's not 'classical colonialism', when I had given link pages ago saying that it wasn't and that this was the modern version, hence my question as to whether you've been drinking.

 

[butchersapron]

No, that was you dogmatically trying to prove the point that it's not 'classical colonialism', when I had given link pages ago saying that it wasn't and that this was the modern version, hence my question as to whether you've been drinking.

When you gave a link saying that it wasn't but argued that it was.

 

[sleaterkinney]

When you gave a link saying that it wasn't but argued that it was.

Where did I argue that it was?.

 

[butchersapron]

Post 145 -157.

 

[Poi E]

Federation of Conservative Students=FOCS

 

[sleaterkinney]

Post 145 -157.

Post up the quote where I argued it.

 

[butchersapron]

Post up the quote where you argued what? What are you arguing that you didn't mean?

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=6592677&postcount=146

Should do you for now.

 

[Firky]

Hah ha nice one. That would explain why when the Congo achieved independence there was not a single local doctor trained by the Belgians.

But what they did do was give mass education in French, which is better for them than their tribal mutterings, naturally.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Post up the quote where you argued what? What are you arguing that you didn't mean?

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=6592677&postcount=146

Should do you for now.

So me saying that there aren't bloody big differences is me saying that they're the same thing?.

I can see why you're having trouble with this discussion.

 

[butchersapron]

So me saying that there aren't bloody big differences is me saying that they're the same thing?.

I can see why you're having trouble with this discussion.

No, me saying they're different and you saying, hang on, no they aren't is pretty much like that. They're your own words and i do appreciate that you don't want them to come back and bite you - but there they are,

 

[sleaterkinney]

No, me saying they're different and you saying, hang on, no they aren't is pretty much like that.

Not really, me saying there aren't bloody big difference does not equate to me saying that they're the same thing, no matter how much you might want it to.

 

[rachamim18]

The answer of course is no. That time would be whent he Empire is truly dissolved. As long as it control Scotland, Wales, Malvinas, and other far flung places it has no buisnes washing its hands of anything.

I love all the cutesy talk of embargo when their own country is as dirty as any other. People in the UK can be so cute!

 

[Poi E]

The answer of course is no. That time would be whent he Empire is truly dissolved. As long as it control Scotland, Wales, Malvinas, and other far flung places it has no buisnes washing its hands of anything.

I love all the cutesy talk of embargo when their own country is as dirty as any other. People in the UK can be so cute!

Israel to give up Palestine, too.

 

[nino_savatte]

The US to give up all of its economic colonies too.

 

[Belushi]

The answer of course is no. That time would be whent he Empire is truly dissolved. As long as it control Scotland, Wales, Malvinas, and other far flung places it has no buisnes washing its hands of anything.

Except of course Scotland, Wales and the Falklands all have majorities in favour of remaining part of the UK (not the British Empire which was a different entity). Unlike Palestine.

As a Welshman I find the attempt to compare our situation with that of the Palestinians laughable.