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Is it time for a boycott of all Israeli goods?

Galloway is a parasite. If his paymaster were anti-Muslim he'd attack Muslims. It's nothing to do with Hitler, and everything to do with being an opportunistic cock-knocker.

this isn't true, imo, and I dont have any great love of Galloway. He is an old-fashioned Stalinist, with a love of 'great leaders', and a serious commitment to Arab nationalism. He is a cock, but he's his own cock without any need for paymasters.
 
what Galloway's cretinous behaviour most closely resembles is the idiocy of the British far-right, and the denunciatory witterings of Judaeophobes such as Mosley, Chesterton and Joyce.
Really? If that's the case then he needs to be physically stopped when he does so. What has he actually said?
 
quimcunx said:
A vote to strengthen trade under the EU-Israeli Association Agreement was meant to take place on Dec 4th but has been postponed.
The vote in the European Parliament was postponed, but the Council of Ministers - the representatives of the member state governments -voted for it anyway :mad:

The Parliament will be asserting that the "upgrade" of relations can't take effect without its say-so, I expect.

The EU Commission has more integrity than the Council of Ministers:

European plans to turn Israel into a "privileged" partner enjoying special political, diplomatic and trade links were frozen by Brussels today in protest at the Israeli onslaught in Gaza.

Senior officials and diplomats in Brussels also said Czech pressure to stage a Europe-Israel summit to launch a new "special relationship" was facing stiff resistance and would probably not take place.

Senior figures in Brussels said the European move was ordered by Benita Ferrero-Waldner, the commissioner for external relations, who instructed various departments of the European commission to suspend implementation of a policy decided last year "to upgrade" relations between Israel and the EU.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/14/europe-israel-diplomacy-gaza-protest
 
From Jews sans Frontieres:

JSF said:
EU: Hello Israel, how are you today?

IL: Not bad, not bad, and you?

EU: Fine, thanks! I am a bit concerned about the news we get here. A thousand dead, perhaps a third children. It's terrible.

IL: I appreciate your concern, but you have nothing to worry about us. You got to come around here one day. There is this hill where you can stand and watch Gaza. You can see everything, the destruction, the hits, it's amazing. It's like Anselm Kiefer, except it's so much, much bigger. This is not a war. Listen to me: it is art. We are revitalizing Western culture. We had a group of composers here the other day, two from Spain and one from Germany, and they said it gave them so much inspiration. We are your avant-guard, EU. I tell you every time I get a news brief from Gaza I feel so charged.

EU: That's great...look, IL, to be honest, a lot of folks here don't share your enthousiasm. We get a lot of angry calls, letters. People are getting mad at us because we support you. We've just voted to upgrade relations and then...

IL: You know, this isn't the kind of talk friends should say to each other. Did you ever hear me criticize you when you blow up a family in Afghanistan? No. I'm a real friend, EU. I don't go stab you in the back when the going get tough. I stand by you. Now I'm hurt. Just so you know. You really hurt my feelings.

EU: Sorry IL, I didn't mean it like that. But it's not the same thing. You don't have a public opinion like we do. You got all of them singing from the same songbook. We have millions of Muslims...

IL: We have a million Muslims here as well. You can send your cops to us and we'll teach them. Let me tell you, there is one rule with Muslims: You have to be tough. The smallest concession, they smell your fear. We know Muslims; you're too soft with them.

EU: IL, IL, it's not just Muslims. It's everybody. You're upsetting everybody. We begin to get civil disobedience because of you. We could have a revolution in Greece. It's serious, IL. You know I wouldn't say that if it weren't serious. It's a setback to everything we're trying to do here. All I'm saying, we need some consideration from you. That's all.

IL: So what are saying? Are you going to support sanctions? Are you saying that you'll start arresting us when we show up at your airport again? Is that what you're saying? I have no words...

EU: No! No! Calm down! Please! We're together in this. You know we're together. We just need some time. We can't be seen to be too close to each other right now. Maybe we'll have to throw them a bone, make them feel less frustrated. We're going to make a few strongly worded statements. We have too. I'm really sorry.

IL: Well, if this is how you feel. But remember that you owe me a big one, for all the reconstruction business that I'm creating for you in Gaza.

EU: And you know very well everybody here is grateful for that. Especially now. But one more thing, these upgraded ties.

IL: They are very important to us.

EU: Of course, and to us as well. But if we don't slow down the whole thing is going to blow up in our face. We need to let things cool down a bit. If we push now, we risk having these ties bundled with human rights' conditions. That would be a disaster.

IL: yes, that would be a disaster. Fine. Let it lay low. For now. But you swear you're going to push it again the moment you can?

EU: By the love of children I swear.

IL: Ok pal. I am sorrry if I was too harsh sometimes.

EU: Don't mention it. This is what friends are for.
 
Some people misquoting Galloway.

We reported that George Galloway MP had called for a boycott of ‘Israel’s shops’. This was incorrect. He called for a boycott of Israel Shops, mobile retailers who operate in shopping malls selling Israeli goods.

Source.
 
You started off by disclaiming yourself as not a barrister, but then went on to declare which offences those protesters "are guilty of" which is a higher standard than may have committed, or should be charged with, hence my teasing.

It's one thing to suggest that someone has done something unlawful, or even wrong, it's quite another to pronounce on the finer points of proof and guilt without being able to make even a prima facie attempt at justification.
In relation to both the protestors and Mr Galloway, I said it "it looks like" they're guilty of X offence, which wasn't an attempt to deliver a final judgement. Prima facie means "at first sight", so if I'm to render what I said in legalise, all I suggested is that there's a case to answer. (I should have said "case to answer" instead of guilty, for which I apologise.)

Thanks for the elaboration of "breach of the peace". Is an attack necessary to prove it now? Would not "disorder" do the trick? The CoA judgment said a an act "threatened to be done" than could "harm property", which would seem to apply to the protestors' actions.

Of course, any prosecution would have to pass the absurdly high "conviction more probable than not" test the CPS use (unless that's been changed), so I'm sure nothing's going to happen to any party.
 
Some people misquoting Galloway.
Source.

It's terrible that people are misquoting Mr Galloway. Obviously his statement was poorly reported, and the technical rendering of his carefully chosen and enunciated words was not of the best, but there's no excuse for musunderstanding him.

As some people have apparently done.
A branch of Starbucks in East London has been smashed and firebombed in what appears to be an anti-Israeli protest. Police are investigating the series of attacks in Whitechapel. First rocks were thrown through the store's window at 11.25pm on Monday night. Later, after midnight, a petrol bomb or similar was tossed into the zionist owned premises starting a fire which damaged the interior. No one was injured in the incident and the store was boarded up today as police examined the scene.

There is no way, no way at all, that he can be held responsible for the people who did these things.
A FIRE bomb was hurled into the premises of a cafe and coffee bar in London’s East End in the early hours of this morning.

It was one of a series of ‘hate’ incidents in Whitechapel which have included anti-Semitic graffiti, believed to be linked to protests over Israel’s operations in Gaza.

The thugs hurled the petrol bomb through the front glass door of Starbucks in Whitechapel Road, 300 yards from Brick Lane, at 1am.

The manager was trapped in the office at the back and saw the intruders smashing their way into the premises on the CCTV and had to stay hidden.
The new Tesco Metro supermarket in Stepney’s Commercial Road was targeted at the weekend when several windows were smashed and the words ‘kill Jews’ was daubed in paint.

The same slogan was daubed on the wall of a children’s playground on Whitechapel’s Chicksand housing estate last week.
 
we should also boytcott zimbabwe and burma over their brutal dictatorships - oh wait, we can't they don't have anything we buy anyway

and sri lanka should be banned from cricket until they recognise the tamil

we should also boycott china over their organ harvesting - oh wait we can't, they are a powerful country and we depend on what they export

oh and the EU and US over their treatment of africa, except most people on here live int it and benefit from it

but hey, we might as well boycott israel cos they don't make much good stuff anyway, being at war and shit
 
we should also boytcott zimbabwe and burma over their brutal dictatorships - oh wait, we can't they don't have anything we buy anyway

and sri lanka should be banned from cricket until they recognise the tamil

we should also boycott china over their organ harvesting - oh wait we can't, they are a powerful country and we depend on what they export

If you wanted to - completely - boycott china you would starve to death tbh.
 
There's plenty of food that's not produced in China; ditto plenty of clothes. It would be hard, and expensive, but far from impossible if the will was there.

At the least, there could be a campaign to get the covernment to boycott China, with similarly noisy marches etc.
 
Yep

is a bit hypocritical to be singling out israel when we are guilty of just as bad stuff - but we've got to start somewhere

the PSC are also now calling people to boycott egypt as well.


to be honest it's us that enable israel to carry on as it does, without the UK and US support Israel would have been a rogue state long ago and probably would not have even existed in the first place.
 
Yep

is a bit hypocritical to be singling out israel but we've got to start somewhere

the PSC are also now calling people to boycott egypt as well.

start somewhere the media tells us to. TEH JEWS!!!!

where do all the weapons come from? england, france and america
 
start somewhere the media tells us to. TEH JEWS!!!!

where do all the weapons come from? england, france and america

stop saying sensible things, dammit!

:mad:

i have been a bit put off by the superior moral tone of much of the "pro-palestinian" media - "is this really a democratic state?" etc - althoguh it is amusing to see people waking up

because of course britain france and america would never behave like israel and of course we'd never support such behaviour either ;)
 
we should also boytcott here, there and everywhere else

Totally neglecting the point:

A boycott in response to a call from the people who are suffering is an act of solidarity.

A boycott without that call is, indeed, merely the non-politics of personal guilt assuagement.

A very significant coalition of organisations within Palestine has called for a boycott.

The same is not true of anywhere else, is it?

There's a problem locally, because the nature of the control wielded by the state of Israel means that within Palestine botcotting Israeli products would mean giving up certain products altogether - where no alternative can be imported. People have been talking about this in at least one West Bank city today.

 
and ... erm, Israel

last year britain made about 20m from selling weapons to israel

it'll probably be even more this year judging by how it's going

and fuck knows what the EU makes

selling weapons something that UK and France are still world leaders at, boycott the UK and France, and fucking China and all the sweatshops

Israel doesn't make much anyway (specially the last few years and they use all their productivity on war)
 
Totally neglecting the point:

A boycott in response to a call from the people who are suffering is an act of solidarity.

A boycott without that call is, indeed, merely the non-politics of personal guilt assuagement.

A very significant coalition of organisations within Palestine has called for a boycott.

The same is not true of anywhere else, is it?

There's a problem locally, because the nature of the control wielded by the state of Israel means that within Palestine botcotting Israeli products would mean giving up certain products altogether - where no alternative can be imported. People have been talking about this in at least one West Bank city today.


Yep

I don't boycott shops - I like starbucks and Marks and Spencers :D but I dont buy Israel goods and I get others to do the same

I dont buy lonely planet guidebooks either coz of burma-related reasons and I don't go around buying Teak and that either :D
 
last year britain made about 20m from selling weapons to israel

it'll probably be even more this year judging by how it's going

and fuck knows what the EU makes

selling weapons something that UK and France are still world leaders at, boycott the UK and France, and fucking China and all the sweatshops

Israel doesn't make much anyway (specially the last few years and they use all their productivity on war)

A lot of the drones used by Georgia were found to come from Israel - and they've also sold weapons to the burmese junta :eek:

it would be slightly hard for me to boycott the UK with me living there and everything ... :(
 
Totally neglecting the point:

A boycott in response to a call from the people who are suffering is an act of solidarity.

A boycott without that call is, indeed, merely the non-politics of personal guilt assuagement.

A very significant coalition of organisations within Palestine has called for a boycott.

The same is not true of anywhere else, is it?

There's a problem locally, because the nature of the control wielded by the state of Israel means that within Palestine botcotting Israeli products would mean giving up certain products altogether - where no alternative can be imported. People have been talking about this in at least one West Bank city today.


how can you boycott israel tho?

what do you buy from israel on a day to day?
 
stop selling weapons to israel i would support, but boycotting israel? wat?


and like i said, if we are going to boycott israel over gaza we should boycott china over tibet and mongolia and xinjiang
 
I dont buy lonely planet guidebooks either coz of burma-related reasons [...]
Do the Burmise people want Westerners to stop visiting? On a recent visit, Peter Hitchens didn't find this to be the case. One group of anti-government comedians would probably "disappear" if tourists stopped coming.

Besides, Lonely Planet publish guidebooks for China, Cuba, Vietnam, and Pakistan, amongst others. Their Burmese edition shouldn't bring them special opprobrium.
 
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