Is it time for a boycott of all Israeli goods?
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
the M&S policy is what it says. It has been lambasted for some of its acts - for instance selling goods produced in the occupied territories under a Made in Israel label, against EU trade embargo's and international law. Both M&S and Israel talk proudly of their ongoing relationship, and of the importance of it for both parties. It's really no secret at all.
No idea about the Starbucks %, I can well believe it is quite small (tho all such company charitable donations are quite small). One of the things it has funded are IDF paratroopers!
No idea about the Starbucks %, I can well believe it is quite small (tho all such company charitable donations are quite small). One of the things it has funded are IDF paratroopers!
If it helps you feel better then yes. 
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
I suspect boycotts do help the boycotter more than the affected population. Will it help the people of China to loose their jobs? Or the Palestinians employed in Israel? (If they're allowed over the border, I'm not up on the latest rules.)If it helps you feel better then yes.
If boycotts are primarily to make us feel better, then they're not especially moral enterprises.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
As in South Africa, it isn't about simple moralism. Just as South African workers - ie those actually oppressed - called for a boycott, so do Palestinian workers. Chinese etc workers dont do so. It's about supporting the oppressed, not making westerners feel less guilty
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Well on those grounds, yes, a boycott of Israel would be justified. (If you agree with the affected people, obviously.) Although there's the caveat of how do you know the majority's wish, especially in a police state like China.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Distortions and inaccuracies yet again. Eirigi are nothing to do with either Galloway or stormtroopers but hey don't let facts get in the way of your inaccuracies eh?! And some nice attempts to link those opposed to the shelling of Gaza with nazi stormtroopers. You and Ann Moffat would make a great double-acty....
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
You're dragging your coat looking for a reason to be offended. Eirigi has nothing much to do with Galloway and are not stormtroopers, but they're clearly following the lead given by Galloway in calling for "Israeli" shops to be shut down.
Listen to him bellowing his message of hate - starts around 2 mins 40 seconds. "shut....them....down!" And they did.
And eirigi members' behaviour is so akin to that of the SA members portrayed in the google images link I gave, for the unfair comparison still to be apposite.
My point is that even though they may not see themselves in that light, that's the way it looks. That should be a warning to people invading shopping centres and monstering people doing their jobs, which is precisely what eirigi members did in that shopping centre in Belfast on Saturday. What's next - SPSC members invading Silverburn or Parkhead Forge?
I have no idea what the excellent Anne Moffat has done to upset you!
So they stood outside, chucked a few leaflets around and chanted a bit? Fuck off with your silly comparisons to the SS.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Eirigi has nothing to do with Galloway, but you insist on making a non existent link and then trying to compare them with nazi stormtroopers. Yes that's right, it's right up there with Kristallnacht, with the pogroms, with executions in the streets and the daubing of windows with 'Juden'.
Ann Moffat has done nothing to upset me. However like you she enjoys making allusions to people being nazis she doesn't like with her claim that PR got the Weimar republic the Nazis and Scotland Alex Salmond.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Well, if we hadn't all grown up through school history lessons with the images of SA goons standing outside Jewish shops, it might just be possible to portray the harassment of sales staff as a merry jape. But we did.
And just listen to the sound of Galloway's voice on that clip. "Go to all the shopping malls... and SHUT DOWN THE ISRAEL SHOPS." And watch and listen to what happened on Saturday in Belfast.
You might find it all innocent, but lots of people don't.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
What absolute horse shite. Your comparison with the SA/SS whatever is nothing short of of another tired variant on the anti-zionist/opposition to Israeli policy in Gaza = Anti-semitic smear.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
You are perfectly entitled to see no similarities between the images and sounds from Galloway and eirigi and their like, and the images we grew up with of the SA outside Jewish shops.
And I am perfectly entitled to talk about what my eyes are so plainly telling me, and to suggest that people think twice before allowing themselves to be portrayed as such.
Perhaps I should change my user name to Cassandra?
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
In other words, as far as you're concerned you're perfectly entitled to smear people because you have no actual political argument. The most outlandish disgusting smear and irrelevant comparison is ok because you're saying it.
What a vile repugnant creature you are.....
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
Look fullyplumped can you please stop doing this bullshit comparison of israel and zionism to jews?
Galloway made a stupid comment about "shutting Israel's shops down" - by that he meant shops like M and S that have deals with Israel, that view supporting of Israel as part of their business ethos. It isn't some 1930s pogrom ffs and I find it FUCKING offensive that you and others are trying to say that what he said is in some way anti-semitic or similar to the nazis, what the fuck does that say about the victims of the nazis?
How do you think it makes me feel as a Jewish person to hear that criticising Israel is anti-semitic, or that Jews are somehow the same as the Israeli state?
Galloway made a stupid comment about "shutting Israel's shops down" - by that he meant shops like M and S that have deals with Israel, that view supporting of Israel as part of their business ethos. It isn't some 1930s pogrom ffs and I find it FUCKING offensive that you and others are trying to say that what he said is in some way anti-semitic or similar to the nazis, what the fuck does that say about the victims of the nazis?
How do you think it makes me feel as a Jewish person to hear that criticising Israel is anti-semitic, or that Jews are somehow the same as the Israeli state?
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
I don't buy Israeli goods where I can, I tell other people what they are doing, I am absolutely fucking devastated and sickened as a Jew to see what Israel does every day, it is a fucking travesty, a disgrace, and people like you make people smashing up the windows of a starbucks into some kind of a replica of krystallnacht, all I can say is stop trying to smear anti-zionists to make a political point, do you have any conception of how offensive it is to see judaism equated with something as repellent as the modern day state of israel?
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
You are both missing what I am saying. It is probably because I am using vivid examples of what is happening.
Let me restate my position in plain English.
The words and actions we have seen really look just like the images from the 30s of the SA in Germany, to me and to many others, if not to you.
I think people need to step back and take a deep breath, and consider that if they carry on the way they are going, they will be portrayed in ways that will upset them.
Let me restate my position in plain English.
The words and actions we have seen really look just like the images from the 30s of the SA in Germany, to me and to many others, if not to you.
I think people need to step back and take a deep breath, and consider that if they carry on the way they are going, they will be portrayed in ways that will upset them.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
And Frogwoman, don't be so naive about George Galloway. You may choose to interpret his words as you have done. Others don't.
"Go to all the shopping malls... and SHUT DOWN THE ISRAEL SHOPS."
He knows exactly what he is doing and who his audience is, and I have no doubt that he chose his words with care. He can't even claim, as did apologists for Ahmadinejad, that he was mistranslated.
"Go to all the shopping malls... and SHUT DOWN THE ISRAEL SHOPS."
He knows exactly what he is doing and who his audience is, and I have no doubt that he chose his words with care. He can't even claim, as did apologists for Ahmadinejad, that he was mistranslated.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
No-one is missing your, frankly, lack of point. You are simply employing a nasty smear. What happened in the video is not reminiscent of 1930's Germany at all. It's a smear, no more no less.
The people who need to step back and take a breath are the IDF who are continuing to bomb civilians.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
Of course.
But surely you understand that the actions of well meaning lefties in this country will be widely portrayed and perceived as being informed by malicious intentions?
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
He's a twat, a populist and like on the lobby for palestine he gets people applauding some dodgy al-qaeda supporting shit.
i'm not "naive" about him. like any typical politician he likes to engage in hyperbole and he likes to make stupid over the top statements, that doesn't mean he's an anti-semite calling for pogroms, jesus christ .
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
So, we shouldn't do anything cos bigots will distort what we mean? Which seems a bit rich considering that you are carrying out just such a distortion yourself.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
By bigots and idiots yes. Your comparison is offensive and frankly utterly ridiculous, but you know that because it's simply your intention to smear these people as nazis, no more no less.
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
I love the idea of a Jew invoking Jesus Christ in frustration!
but I think a lot of people are giving George the benefit of the doubt, and he doesn't deserve it.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
by that you mean he is an anti-semite calling for pogroms?
Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
I will say this only once.
Aye right, the chance would be a fine thing. I do not intend to smear "these people" as Nazis. But as Frogwoman has suggested she realises, they may be allowing themselves to be portrayed as such. The should take more care about this. That's all I'm saying.
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