nino_savatte
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LilMissHissyFit said:
When I was teaching in FE, I was inspected twice and each time it felt like I was being violated.
Is Home Education just for rich people?
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When I was teaching in FE, I was inspected twice and each time it felt like I was being violated.
vauxhallmum
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It was certainly my understanding that you were under no obligation towards the authorities, only your child. Who polices that, though? Anyway, I'm sure I could do it and expect no extra help but would have to be on benefits. Ugh. Would I count as making myself 'deliberately unemployed?' I only ask here because I think if I went into a job centre and asked them they would of course say 'NO DON'T LEAVE YOUR JOB- YOU WILL RECEIVE NOTHING'.
pogofish
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revol68 said:I'd look further into that, doesn't sound like proper protocol.
It was interesting to see the reaction when a teacher neighbour of a friend of mine came round to complain about party noise once.
Another friend who works for the schools inspectorate was there & introduced himself along the lines of "oh hello, you work for xxxxx Academy don't you. We are about to inspect you." The neighbour went visibly white, swayed & said we could make as much noise as we wanted before virtually running out of the flat!
LilMissHissyFit
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vauxhallmum said:
Given that your son has SEN have you applied for DLA for him??
If he recieved DLA and requires care because he is unable to be in school or in childcare( and a school place hasnt been forthcoming) you may be able to claim Carers allowannce, disabled child premuim and an IS top up?
nino_savatte
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Well, at least homeschooling in this country isn't part of the mad Xtian fundie movement in the US. The US homeschooling movement is based around the notion that the US public (state) education system is run by "godless [liberals] communists, spies and liars".
vauxhallmum
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LilMissHissyFit said:Given that your son has SEN have you applied for DLA for him??
If he recieved DLA and requires care because he is unable to be in school or in childcare( and a school place hasnt been forthcoming) you may be able to claim Carers allowannce, disabled child premuim and an IS top up?
OK, I'm just learning here. Is that a disability allowance? It seems that might be a grey area (behavioural problems) but maybe I'm wrong....
I'm sure if the court case (against lambeth SEN for not providing interim educational provision) happens I can claim some sort of compensation for these last four months but honestly I don't give a shit about that. I just need to work out how to go forward, and possibly bypass all this bureaucratic bollocks.
vauxhallmum
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nino_savatte said:
I am definately a godless liberal
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I know someone who's quite involved in homeshcool groups in the UK. He says that we do have our share of fundle nutjobs involved in homeschooling and in the organisations to support homeschoolers, but they are usually aviodable. there are a growing number who now homeschool because of a school's refusal to tackle bullying or other issues that make the child miserable at school.
he's completely ignored by the system, never been inspected, had requests to proove that he can educate his kids. He's what I would call upper middle class though, very good salary, works in the city, big home, wife at home full time. If you homeschool and you're less well off, he thinks you get a lot more attention.
he's completely ignored by the system, never been inspected, had requests to proove that he can educate his kids. He's what I would call upper middle class though, very good salary, works in the city, big home, wife at home full time. If you homeschool and you're less well off, he thinks you get a lot more attention.
LilMissHissyFit
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vauxhallmum said:
Its Disability living allowance and yes it can be granted for behavioural problems as long as you are able to provide evidence of their existence.
If your child needs more care than a child of the same age without their problems then they will usually qualify for some help.
If you are granted the middle rate for care then you are able to claim disabled child premium on tax credits and a carers allowance, not a great help but it would help prove you didnt just jack your job in needlessly to care for your son
nino_savatte
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vauxhallmum said:
Good on ye!
quimcunx
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I have a friend who is homeschooling her kid in Letchworth. She's not rich, far from it, but she's not poor either. Her husband is a fancy nurse, so may earn a little more than most nurses.
It's important to arrange to have your kid sit some form of exams before their schooling is finished.
I'm sure there is a homeschooling network she uses. google for one of those for advise. I'll ask her if she has any tips for you or can point you somewhere.
She loves doing it too. She's learnt so much alongside her children that she would never have otherwise.
It's important to arrange to have your kid sit some form of exams before their schooling is finished.
I'm sure there is a homeschooling network she uses. google for one of those for advise. I'll ask her if she has any tips for you or can point you somewhere.
She loves doing it too. She's learnt so much alongside her children that she would never have otherwise.
LilMissHissyFit
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Why is it important???
I was supported when I was Home edding by a lovely lady who had home edded all three of her dyslexic children and who got them all into college at 16 on basic skills courses-( bit because they needed to learn but because they needed the qualification she would have had to pay privately for pre 16) one sat her Science A levels at the same time , went straight from there with 3A's to university and is now doing a masters in Biochemistry...
another did a carpentry course after ditching his course and is now a joiner and building himself a tardis in his garage It makes no difference to him that he didnt sit any exams. He realised it wasnt for him and joined a load of kids who had spent years trying to sit exams and failing. He however wanted to learn and had been brought up with 'learning' as a concept
Its not necessary to do what schools do just because its accepted all children do it.I firmly believe its not necessary for children to sit exams before they finish their -3-16 yrs age just because children in schools do
I was supported when I was Home edding by a lovely lady who had home edded all three of her dyslexic children and who got them all into college at 16 on basic skills courses-( bit because they needed to learn but because they needed the qualification she would have had to pay privately for pre 16) one sat her Science A levels at the same time , went straight from there with 3A's to university and is now doing a masters in Biochemistry...
another did a carpentry course after ditching his course and is now a joiner and building himself a tardis in his garage
It makes no difference to him that he didnt sit any exams. He realised it wasnt for him and joined a load of kids who had spent years trying to sit exams and failing. He however wanted to learn and had been brought up with 'learning' as a conceptIts not necessary to do what schools do just because its accepted all children do it.I firmly believe its not necessary for children to sit exams before they finish their -3-16 yrs age just because children in schools do
foo said:
Definitely the experience I had. No idea how to socialise with others whatsoever when I entered school at 11, my teenage years were horrific as a result. I was reasonably OK at home before then, but I was desperately lonely and ended up with books/cardboard boxes/stick horses for friends. Looking back on it I wish I'd been able to spend time with other kids. There's only so much isolation a small child can take before they go a bit loopy
pogofish said:Every study into this has found the exact opposite to be true.
Proof for that please? This really doesn't match with my experience.
Edit: forgot to add, I'm from a working-class family, but they were religious. Lots of other working-class people from the same religion we've known over the years did the same thing.
quimcunx
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Okay, IMO it's important.
My friend that is homeschooling is looking at what exams she can get her son to do cos if he wants to go to uni or college they want to know what exams he's passed etc.
Sounds like what you're saying is her children completed their education at a college, except for one of them, and presumably had some sort of exam. Employers and places of further education both want to know what level of education people they take on have attained. Even if the answer is nothing. But with home ed it must be hard to tell whether the answer is nothing or A at a-level or anywhere in between. Admittedly I have no experience of it myself.
My friend that is homeschooling is looking at what exams she can get her son to do cos if he wants to go to uni or college they want to know what exams he's passed etc.
Sounds like what you're saying is her children completed their education at a college, except for one of them, and presumably had some sort of exam. Employers and places of further education both want to know what level of education people they take on have attained. Even if the answer is nothing. But with home ed it must be hard to tell whether the answer is nothing or A at a-level or anywhere in between. Admittedly I have no experience of it myself.
pogofish
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snoogles said:
Been linked-up here before so try a search. Its been a few years since I worked in schools so I don't have that sort of stuff to hand anymore.
Sounds like you were from one of the more stereotypical homeschooling backgrounds.
As for kids & socialisation, there are a great deal of kids in schools who get next to none anyway, or only learn to relate to a very narrow section of their peers, rather than society as a whole. In that respect, institutional schooling can often be worse than even the most isolated homeschool. Nearly all of our kids with interaction/socialisation problems came from institutional backgrounds anyway with only a handfull drom the several hundred homeschoolers on our books.
I was remaindered by the education system at @7 & farmed-off to a deaf school by a load of fuckwit bigots & their apologists. Eventually, after legal intervention, I landed in a rather bizzarre hippy private school on a 90% scolarship before returning to mainstream for the last few years. Frankly, any sort of homeschooling would have been a better alternative.
tuesday's child
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I'm in the US so this won't be useful to Vauxhallmum, but just wanted to say as a note of encouragement - there is a HUGE home schooling network here. They have social stuff EVERY DAY, little leagues for softball, they get together to do things like science classes where it's easier for them to get materials in bulk. I know a couple of them and their kids are just wonderful...kind, intelligent, well-socialised, and probably at an educational level about 3 years ahead of their state-schooled peers. A lot of homeschooling is church-based, but the people I know are in a specifically secular homeschooling network because they didn't want to get involved in the churchy stuff.
VM - I'm absolutely sure that there must be similar networks/clubs in London. A parent is not going to go to all the effort and trouble of homeschooling their child, and then be so thick that they don't even THINK about the social aspect of school/lack of.
I think it's a great thing and I will definitely consider it for my daughter if for any reason I'm not happy with the local elementary school (I'll start her off there, and then we'll see).
VM - I'm absolutely sure that there must be similar networks/clubs in London. A parent is not going to go to all the effort and trouble of homeschooling their child, and then be so thick that they don't even THINK about the social aspect of school/lack of.
I think it's a great thing and I will definitely consider it for my daughter if for any reason I'm not happy with the local elementary school (I'll start her off there, and then we'll see).
Mungy
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Nope, its not for rich people. we are home educating our daughter and if we got any poorer, we would be bankrupt. She is only 2 and 8 months mind, and we are home educating her until she is 6 or 7 then giving her a choice.
We have already noticed how well she mixes with other people, from adults to other little un's compared to the kids who go to pre-school.
We have already noticed how well she mixes with other people, from adults to other little un's compared to the kids who go to pre-school.
LilMissHissyFit
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with respect i dont think you can make comparisons between your child at 2 yrs 8 mths and a child who goes to school nor attribute 'home education' ( such as it is at present) to that.
Mungy
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LilMissHissyFit said:
well i have made a comparison, whether you think i can make one or not
our daughters education is our responsibility and we started that from the moment she was born. she regularly mixes with a wide range of children, from different backgrounds and different age groups. Other parents have made positive comments on her confidence. I'm sure that the environment in which she is growing up will influence her - what better than at "home" where she has been learning since she was born?
Some links on the so called social problems of home education. Showing that in reality in the long term those who are home educated normally end up as adults with stronger and more healthy social skills than those "school educated"
http://learninfreedom.org/socialization.html
http://www.indiana.edu/~reading/ieo/digests/d94.html
I am sure if you can be bothered to read and digest all the research, you too will chose to home school
Education is the legal responsibility of the parent. in the uk. If you chose to send your kids to be indoctrinated by your countries government, then that is your choice. Home schoolers dont challenge that, so why the discomfort towards those who do.. After all i have never heard of a home schooler getting a asbo or taking a knife to a teacher... have you?
http://learninfreedom.org/socialization.html
http://www.indiana.edu/~reading/ieo/digests/d94.html
I am sure if you can be bothered to read and digest all the research, you too will chose to home school
Education is the legal responsibility of the parent. in the uk. If you chose to send your kids to be indoctrinated by your countries government, then that is your choice. Home schoolers dont challenge that, so why the discomfort towards those who do.. After all i have never heard of a home schooler getting a asbo or taking a knife to a teacher... have you?
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
Mungy said:well i have made a comparison, whether you think i can make one or not
our daughters education is our responsibility and we started that from the moment she was born. she regularly mixes with a wide range of children, from different backgrounds and different age groups. Other parents have made positive comments on her confidence. I'm sure that the environment in which she is growing up will influence her - what better than at "home" where she has been learning since she was born?
I dont disagree.. however to compare her with children 2 years older isnt a valid comparison
Im glad you have an uber indigo child though, well done.
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I think making a choice to keep your child at home for a few extra years instead of sending them to school at 4 is a valid one and is relavent to considerations of home ed. I wish I had been more aware of this as an option with my own son. IMO, he wasn't ready for school until he was at least 7 and did very badly in his first few years, leading to a general opinion of him as a difficult child, that seems only to be dispelled by his current, year 4, teacher, who is willing to work with his idiosyncrasies instead of fighting him on them to make him behave 'normally'
Conversely, my daughter is ready for being with large groups of kids at 3. keeping her at home would be very much the wrong thing to do. So having made the mistake of believing I had to send my son to school at 4, i now send a very different child to nursery at 3. I'm a lot more willing to be led by her needs now, rather than supposed rules.
Conversely, my daughter is ready for being with large groups of kids at 3. keeping her at home would be very much the wrong thing to do. So having made the mistake of believing I had to send my son to school at 4, i now send a very different child to nursery at 3. I'm a lot more willing to be led by her needs now, rather than supposed rules.
tuesday's child said:A parent is not going to go to all the effort and trouble of homeschooling their child, and then be so thick that they don't even THINK about the social aspect of school/lack of.
Alternatively, they may be homeschooling their child precisely because they don't want them to socialise with other children, like my parents did. Other people's children, you see, can be A Bad Influence, leading you down the Road To Moral Decay
vauxhallmum
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behemoth said:
Damn! My sinister underbelly uncovered!
vauxhallmum
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I wouldn't for a moment suggest that in all cases educating a child at home is preferable to school. Only in my case, my son has been so wholly failed by the system and I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel. I know there are people who do it because they are so convinced they are the best parent in the world that no one else has the right to teach their little angel. Not so in my case. I want my boy to be with other kids and be socialised and everything but to NEVER EVER be permanently excluded again. And if he goes to school here now I can't guarantee that, or even that he would get an adequate education, given that morale in schools in our area seems to be so low. I'm with lil'miss on this one- all that 'indigo kids' shite gives me the dry heaves
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