SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
That and the fact that in its current form you couldn't slide a rizla between workfare and slavery 
Is Gordon Brown and the Labour Party fucked?
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Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
MC5 said:
I have no axe to grind for Cameron, but I suspected that was untrue and a brief google of the shadow cabinet shows it's definitely not.
Leader of the Opposition: David Cameron MP. Eton
Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer and General Election Campaign Coordinator: George Osborne MP St Pauls
Shadow Foreign Secretary: William Hague MP Comprehensive
Shadow Home Secretary: David Davis MP State Grammar
Shadow Secretary of State for Defence: Liam Fox MP Scottish High School
Shadow Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families: Michael Gove MP State and Independent schools in Aberdeen
Shadow Secretary of State for Innovation, Universities and SkillsDavid Willetts MP: king edwards, independent grammar in Brum
Shadow Secretary of State for Health: Andrew Lansley MP Brentwood Sch, Essex
Shadow Secretary of State for Transport: Theresa Villiers MP can't find
Shadow Secretary of State for Justice: Nick Herbert MP Haileybury
Shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions: Chris Grayling MP RGS high wycombe (state)
Shadow Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs: Peter Ainsworth MP Ludgrove school
Shadow Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government: Eric Pickles MP Greenshead grammar school
I don't expect that the Labour cabinet would have that dissimilar a split, although I can't be arsed to google any more.
Yes nu labour sucks up to big buisness for donations but a lot of these donors don't like this to be made public i imagine for what we would call street cred ,they don't make these donation with out expecting something back.nu labour cannot carry on its right wing policies with the support it used to get because member support as diminshed because of disulusioned members have left the party and union support cannot be assured by their policies.So these underhand donation are the order of the day.i believe nu labour will have more and more problems raising finance that's why they favour state funding
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Maurice Picarda said:
I suspect MC5 is referring to the reports last year that the shadow front bench team as a whole has 15 old etonians amongst it's ranks:
Hugo Swire: Culture, media and sport: Eton and St Andrews, Clubs White's, Pratt's, Beefsteak
Viscount Bridgeman: Home affairs, Eton, Beefsteak
David Cameron Leader: Eton and Oxford, White's
Bill Wiggin: Environment, Eton and Cambridge
Oliver Letwin: Head of policy, Eton and Cambridge
Viscount Astor: Culture, media and sport, Eton, White's, Turf
Boris Johnson: Higher education, Eton and Oxford, Beefsteak, Garrick
Lord de Mauley: Trade and industry, Eton
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown: Trade and industry, Eton and Royal Agricultural College, Cirencester
Lord Cope of Berkeley: Chief whip, Eton
Lord Glentoran: Northern Ireland, Eton and Grenoble University, France
Lord Skelmersdale: Work and pensions, Eton and Wandsworth College
Lord Luke: Culture, media and sport, Eton and Cambridge
Lord Astor of Hever: Defence, Eton
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Maurice Picarda
Actually, might as well flounce.
So of the 130 offices that Cameron has in his gift from a base of 198 MPs and 202 lords temporal, he's given nine to MPs and six to lords from his old skool. And he's had the sense to keep all of them away from senior cabinet roles.
No, I'm going to need another reason to see Cameron as such a terrifying alternative that the Brown boat shouldn't be rocked.
No, I'm going to need another reason to see Cameron as such a terrifying alternative that the Brown boat shouldn't be rocked.
this is part of the letter sent by mendolsohm to abrahams
At some point, I would like to have the opportunity to talk with you personally about what we are doing and our plans for the time between now and the next general election
mendelsohm says in his statement that he was not happy with the arrangement of proxy donations and wnated to discuss it with abraham my arse
At some point, I would like to have the opportunity to talk with you personally about what we are doing and our plans for the time between now and the next general election
mendelsohm says in his statement that he was not happy with the arrangement of proxy donations and wnated to discuss it with abraham my arse
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Maurice Picarda said:
I wasn't offering it as a terrifying alternative but as confirmation of MC5's point above about old etonian doiminance of the shadow front bench. Having circa 12% of your frontbench team consisting of Old Etonians, above even the ratio of public shool pupils nationally as a whole, does go some way to backing that up. I think being placed in key positions in trade and industry, work and pensions, culture, Home office and defence is pretty significant as well. Not to mention the 3 directly in the cabinet that you yourself mentioned. I wonder what that % would look like if we inculded public and fee paying MPs and Lords in it?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Governments have no need to do u-turns anymore as there's absolutely no means of applying any pressure on them to do so. "Don't want ID cards? What yer gonna do about it? How you gonna make us stop?" might as well be their response.Steve Booth said:
If Brown keeps getting hammered like that at PM's Question Time i reckon he is likely to chin someone
As ever in recent weeks, David Cameron softens him up to the glee of the Tory backbenches as they finally have a Labour PM they can best every Wednesday and Vince Cable delivers the telling question or killer blow
'Stalin to Mr Bean'
that one might stick.
As ever in recent weeks, David Cameron softens him up to the glee of the Tory backbenches as they finally have a Labour PM they can best every Wednesday and Vince Cable delivers the telling question or killer blow
'Stalin to Mr Bean'
that one might stick.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
I think Vince Cable has looked far superior to either of the challengers for the LD leadership tbf.treelover said:
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Paulie Tandoori said:
You're not alone there, but that said he has the luxury of being able to be more himself than if he really was leader...
Prince Rhyus
Spokesman of King Antonio
Caroline Flint's doing a pretty good job of defending herself on Question Time. So far she is the only person who seems to have come out fighting on this one - and the panel and the audience seem to be giving her credit for it (while tearing the Government to pieces.)
Dan U said:
In just a few weeks Brown will be able to get his own back when he will joke about Cable being a 'has-bean'.
Flint is a NL toady scumbag of the highest degree, she has risen to the top by brown nosing all the way.
btw, Hain is in the frame now, couldn't happen to a nicer person, not. This man has ben in charge of a dept, the DWP, which is obsessed with benefit fraud and has hounded many innocent claimants.There is also a web of corruption to be unravelled between Hain, the DWP, the giant US insurance multinational, UNUM, and professor Mansel Aylward: Director of UnumProvident Centre for Psychosocial & Disability Research at Cardiff University and formerly DWP boss. But is anyone on the left interested?
btw, Hain is in the frame now, couldn't happen to a nicer person, not. This man has ben in charge of a dept, the DWP, which is obsessed with benefit fraud and has hounded many innocent claimants.There is also a web of corruption to be unravelled between Hain, the DWP, the giant US insurance multinational, UNUM, and professor Mansel Aylward: Director of UnumProvident Centre for Psychosocial & Disability Research at Cardiff University and formerly DWP boss. But is anyone on the left interested?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Actually in some made way that'd make sense to do, call one early in the new year, it's not like he's got anything to lose...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You're tying yourself up in madness of global fascism and a national govt, a suicidal PM, please, get a grip. You'll have labour govt for two more years, they'll use tried and test PR methods within that period. That's it. No stormtroopers.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Zeppo said:
Not Flash, just Gordon.
I find this very odd: She said in parliament that only people who she or her aids knew personally have contributed to her campaign; yet there were loans and there are dinner parties to pay off the loans, are all those people personally known as well?Kid_Eternity said:
David Abrahams in the Guardian today, he is appearing to play the 'working class lad made good' card.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220218,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220218,00.html
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
treelover said:
Why every interview with Abrahams isnt prefixed with "Warning! This man has an aversion to the truth" I do not know, especially as its such a huge piece of this story.
While its enjoyable to see Labour in such a predicament (one entirely of its own making, of course) - the cynical part of my brain does fear that this is a planted story (the cluelessness of this being almost too much to believe and the fact that the Mail exposed it), with the aim of getting state funding for parties, something which is being commented on favourably in some places.
As for Cable, the sudden warming to him will by the media is somewhat surprising - he has been banging on about these and like issues (one remembers his damning attacks on both the Labour and Conservative inaction with regards to the BAe investigation). This of course shows the value of having MPs who are not mere party hacks / ex-councillors / lawyers; in short people who actually know what it is they harp on about.
Steve Booth
Bourgeois apologist
Something really stinks about all this. On the one hand various sections of Labour have accepted money from David Abrahams and on the other media commentators have been conducting character assasinations against him. His money has been good enough for them, but they wouldn't want to be seen in public with him. In some ways it smacks of a set up, and I'm also worried if there isn't some sort of anti-semitic sub-text behind it too.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
There does seem to be some kind of anti semtic sub text to all this (the whole he's a tool for Mossad being a case in point)...
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