Is Gordon Brown and the Labour Party fucked?

[butchersapron]

Even that article is myth making though - labour's love for business has existed for decades, it doesn't date from the early 90s. The current method of public presentation of it does though.

 

[Dan U]

his columns on the failings of NL are always pretty good imo.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I think I'm leaning more to the Brown is fucked but the party isn't, just. I reckon there's a real possibility they'll cling to power, even win another election, they just wont do that with Gordo the Gimp leading them...

 

[soulman]

Are you totally incapable of reading a message. I know disabled people who are scared of going to a medical examination by a goverment agency in case they don't come back. This fear had fuck all to do with them being able to afford a taxi.

Of course you do toby, and don't forget the ones in the disabled peoples death camps.

 

[soulman]

I think I'm leaning more to the Brown is fucked but the party isn't, just. I reckon there's a real possibility they'll cling to power, even win another election, they just wont do that with Gordo the Gimp leading them...

Do you think it's likely to be a more left leaning leader?

 

[poster342002]

Do you think it's likely to be a more left leaning leader?

No - it'll be David Milliband.

 

[skyscraper101]

No - it'll be David Milliband.

Seconded, and he'd be the right choice for the job too.

He looks young, witty, intelligent,senior ministerial experience and so on. He's kind of like Tony Blair without the 'war mongering' and 'Bush's poodle' label that he got a few years into the job.

 

[Dan U]

i am wondering when the Daily Mail will turn on Brown personally.

 

[poster342002]

Seconded, and he'd be the right choice for the job too.

He looks young, witty, intelligent,senior ministerial experience and so on. He's kind of like Tony Blair without the 'war mongering' and 'Bush's poodle' label that he got a few years into the job.

In what way does all that make him "right for the job"? It'll be just another change of face without change of political direction.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Do you think it's likely to be a more left leaning leader?

No. It'll be David Milliband or Jack Straw. I can't see who else has the profile and ministerial experience.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Seconded, and he'd be the right choice for the job too.

He looks young, witty, intelligent,senior ministerial experience and so on. He's kind of like Tony Blair without the 'war mongering' and 'Bush's poodle' label that he got a few years into the job.

Labour led by Milliband, and LibDems led by Clegg will have the strange effect of making Cameron look like the old man...

 

[poster342002]

No. It'll be David Milliband or Jack Straw. I can't see who else has the profile and ministerial experience.

Or, most likely, a double act with Milliband as PM and Straw as Chancellor - who'll pose as a quasi-left foil to Miliband and get wheeled out at the TUC to say something vague about being in a union sometime back.

Then the cod-left will be able to say idiotic things like "it'd all be different if Straw was PM".

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Or, most likely, a double act with Milliband as PM and Straw as Chancellor - who'll pose as a quasi-left foil to Miliband and get wheeled out at the TUC to say something vague about being in a union sometime back.

I could see that yeah...

 

[poster342002]

I could see that yeah...

And how depressing it is to be so easily able to see where this is all going ...

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Yes, I do think they are both fucked, and I think that, in a couple of years, we are all going to remember how much worse things were under a Conservative Government!

I can't see anyone in Cameron's team who seems particularly evil or any reason why collectively they'd be obviously worse than the current administration.

 

[Fruitloop]

Seconded, and he'd be the right choice for the job too.

He looks young, witty, intelligent,senior ministerial experience and so on. He's kind of like Tony Blair without the 'war mongering' and 'Bush's poodle' label that he got a few years into the job.

He's like a soulless wonky-faced functionary that's already been in trouble for accepting freebies from the nuclear industry when he was Environment Minister, and who needs to be killed in the face with the utmost urgency.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

And how depressing it is to be so easily able to see where this is all going ...

Yep...

 

[weltweit]

Milliband ? what another boy to do a mans job !!

B Marshall Andrews said it perfectly on HIGNFY recently, when he said the new foreign secretary who is fitting in the job while he finishes his A levels.

Why this ridiculous obsession with youth and inexperience? It is beyond me, I want a national political leader who has experience of running big things that have significant effects on peoples lives, someone who already has leadership experience, a war general, a captain of industry not some wet behind the ears boy who worked a few years as a junior in a PR firm.

I would not join a company to work for someone like Cameron or Milliband, I want to work for someone who already knows what they are doing!

 

[Maurice Picarda]

I want a national political leader who has experience of running big things that have significant effects on peoples lives, someone who already has leadership experience, a war general, a captain of industry not some wet behind the ears boy who worked a few years as a junior in a PR firm.

Absolutely. Bring back Ming!

 

[Lock&Light]

Do you really think this Government can survive until May 2010?

Barring catastrophe, ( or, possibly an unexpected upturn in Labour's fortunes), there will be no election before 2009, probably not till the autumn.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

No. It'll be David Milliband or Jack Straw. I can't see who else has the profile and ministerial experience.

If it was an open contest for the leadership, I can think of some others who might throw their hat in the ring. Phil Woolas, for example, has steadily increased his influence, John Hutton's another, and his erstwhile deputy Jim Murphy is well regarded from what i understand. They may not have the profile currently but in many ways, that could be a definite advantage to have been distanced from current goings-on.

 

[brasicritique]

My cat got buggered by a dolphin whilst swimming in a local pond last nite can we have a poll as i am unsure if it will give birth or not?

 

[Nigel]

I know this is very ignorant of me, but how do you make a Poll on U75

 

[Larry O'Hara]

While having no liking for Brown's ideology, and part in the Blair regime's neo-conservative economic policies....

Nonetheless I feel slight sympathy for him in all this: nobody has put forward credible evidence he himself directly knew about these dodgy donations. This in contrast to his predecessor, the blatant crook Blair.

The way this is unravelling calls to my mind what I was told by an invariably well-informed source: the (Tony) Blair regime was let off the hook on party funding, in return for (Ian) Blair getting away with de Menezes...In which case the time limit on that deal will have expired when Blair exited stage-right.

The bottom line is this: the culture of back-handers & cash-in-hand deals to enrich Labour was rampant under Blair, yet the one who is getting it in the neck is Brown, not the original Godfather, Blair. Coincidence??

 

[Demosthenes]

the polls might not be true.

 

[Steve Booth]

Ten years of New Labour have made them arrogant. The government spokesmen and women who went on TV saying that the loss of the data discs will not have any effect on the identity card scheme for example.

Just plough on regardless.

They got away with it over 'cash for peerages' and so they are just carrying on in their corrupt little ways as usual.

It looks like some people were warned off accepting the money, whilst others who were not in the loop (Harriet Harman) did not know. Maybe it was a payback for her husband Jack Dromey blowing the whistle on dodgy payments previously when he was Labour Party treasurer.

I think it is all of a piece though, and there will be another scandal along in a minute for poor Gordon. It is another aspect of the dearth of decent people in political parties. They are all corrupt and as bad as each other. It invites comparisons with T Dan Smith, Poulson and Donnygate, etc etc etc.

 

[Demosthenes]

But I must admit, I rather lost patience with Brown a couple of weeks ago, when he said that he'd have no truck with anti-americanism.

And more so now that he's talking about carrying on the welfare to work program.

 

[audiotech]

I can't see anyone in Cameron's team who seems particularly evil or any reason why collectively they'd be obviously worse than the current administration.

I see 14 Old Etonians that's 14 more than enough for me.

 

[Lock&Light]

But I must admit, I rather lost patience with Brown a couple of weeks ago, when he said that he'd have no truck with anti-americanism.

And more so now that he's talking about carrying on the welfare to work program.

Anti-americanism, just for the sake of it, is damaging to Britain's interest, and what is wrong with encouraging 'welfare to work'?

 

[chymaera]

what is wrong with encouraging 'welfare to work'?

The very nasty sub text.