Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Magneze said:... but now there's less chance of ID cards, less chance of 56 days detention without trial ... crap for Brown but a bonus for the rest of us.
Yep, a silver lining on every cloud.
Is Gordon Brown and the Labour Party fucked?
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Yep, a silver lining on every cloud.
soulman said:
Taking the current goverment "Welfare Reforms" to their logical conclusion, given the nasty propaganda being used, a few years down the road is the "Final Solution."
I know plenty of disabled people who are scared shitless about going for government agency medicals as it is, in case they don't come back.
at the risk of answering the OP
yes i think they might be, well i think Brown may well not lead Labour to the next election.
this government has the whiff of the Tories under Major now stumbling from crisis to crisis.
i really do believe there is a natural lifespan to any ruling party in a democracy. you saw this with the Tories we see this now in Australia and i suspect we are seeing it now in the UK.
yes i think they might be, well i think Brown may well not lead Labour to the next election.
this government has the whiff of the Tories under Major now stumbling from crisis to crisis.
i really do believe there is a natural lifespan to any ruling party in a democracy. you saw this with the Tories we see this now in Australia and i suspect we are seeing it now in the UK.
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
soulman said:
No but Plaid and the SNP will, and in England the Greens are your best bet.
soulman said:
no i don't.
but i am not sure it really works like that once a country has had enough of a particular party or administration.
Labour may need to ditch Brown completely before the next election to stand a chance, break the Blair/Brown link in the countries psyche.
he may well pull it back over the next 18 months but it is pretty relentless at the moment, in many ways it is worse than Blair - on the domestic front alone.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That depends on who becomes leader, if they get one of the so called grey beards its possible they could pull that off (I'm thinking Straw being a care taker leader into the next election, percieved safe pair of hands etc) but if they get a young turk ala Miliband (David not the bug eyed younger brother) they'll have a hard time. He's too obviously Blair Lite (he even talks like him on camera at times)...Dan U said:
Kid_Eternity said:
Thus me thinking they are screwed to be honest unless they really pull it out of the bag on policy and delivery - and get that message across without all this background noise going on.
i can't see the British public voting for anyone if they thought he was a caretaker only.
i agree with Magneze about voter apathy too.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I agree with the first bit - Brown doesn't look like a long-term leader at all right now, and NL is disintegrating - but I haven't a clue what that will mean. The Tories are still shit and if they took over would be baffled, deer-in-the-headlights. They're still mired in the wilderness attitude and Cameron is patently a tit (though this being the Tories they may change him for someone else before then). Lib Dems? Right, yeah.Dan U said:
Basically we'll either limp on with a NL govt, or end up with the Tories who will be out the election after that. Either way the whole business will be even more obviously farcical than it is at the moment, and non-parliamentary action will become even more obviously important than it is now. I suppose the latter is a good thing.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Is Gordon Brown and the Labour party fucked?
Possibly, Gordon certainly was touted as the man with the vision but vision has it appears been totally lacking in his time so far in office, instead he seems to be being buffetted by events rather than their master.
A comedian recently described him as someone who waited their whole life for their dream job and then finds out they are not very good at it.
It had the ring of truth.
Possibly, Gordon certainly was touted as the man with the vision but vision has it appears been totally lacking in his time so far in office, instead he seems to be being buffetted by events rather than their master.
A comedian recently described him as someone who waited their whole life for their dream job and then finds out they are not very good at it.
It had the ring of truth.
this throw more light on the abraham affairs but an health warning it is the daily mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article
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ska invita
back on the other side
Theres nearly three years till an election - this is all just media hoohaa - it means nothing about the longe term success of Labour at next election. Plenty of time for them to get in deeper shit!
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Yes, I do think they are both fucked, and I think that, in a couple of years, we are all going to remember how much worse things were under a Conservative Government! 
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
Do you really think this Government can survive until May 2010?ska invita said:
Awhile ago, i got a letter in my local paper warning that the big property and developments deals the council was authorising had a whiff of the Poulson/T Dan Smith affair. Looking at what is happening in the NE, i think I just got my geography wrong and now there history looks like it is going to repeat itself. Though who knows what will come out in the wash about my region as well.
Kid_Eternity said:
A child asking such a thing would be chastised for childishness.
soulman said:
I don't think so.
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