Is European anti-Americanism due to lack of repricussions?

[Detroit City]

So who, exactly, have America frightened into being pro-American?

No one I know of....but who did England, France and Germany frighten to be more friendly to them? No one.

 

[Dillinger4]

How exactly do you measure this?

I mean, can this be proven as a fact? Or is it just mere baseless conjecture and opinion?

There is a huge difference between 'Anti American' and 'Anti Neo Imperial US Foriegn Policy (without even starting to think about how US citizens are treated at home)'.

In fact there are so many mistakes with this entire argument I don't even know where to start.

It is just unfounded opinion based on absolutely nothing.

 

[Detroit City]

It is just unfounded opinion based on absolutely nothing.

Hitler's "opinon" of Jews, Gyspies, Gays, Poles, et al. was based upon "opinon" and resulted in the deaths of millions.

 

[Dillinger4]

Godwins Law?

Just what are you saying DC?

You keep going off on insane tangents.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

What an incredibly stupid idea.

Europeans are 'anti-American' because they aren't scared enough of America? FFS.

 

[Hi-ASL]

No one I know of....but who did England, France and Germany frighten to be more friendly to them? No one.

I know, he says gently, man to child... but I'm not proposing that they have. You are.

Look. You say that:

Europeans are only critical of the US because we [Europeans] have no fear that they'll bomb us.

Therefore, if your theory's true, logic dictates that countries that the US has bombed, invaded or otherwise instilled fear in, should display opposite traits, ie they should be largely pro-American.

Do you see?

So:

Which countries that the US has bombed/invaded/instilled fear in are largely pro-American as a result?

If you can say "this one, this one and that one"... then your theory holds water.

If not... then you're talking round your cap.

Do you see now!?!

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

The presumption that America can just bully anyone they want is pretty laughable as well. Invading Iraq hasn't exactly worked very well has it? Hardly suugests that America has the ability to start invading France, for example.

 

[Detroit City]

The presumption that America can just bully anyone they want is pretty laughable as well. Invading Iraq hasn't exactly worked very well has it? Hardly suugests that America has the ability to start invading France, for example.

the point is that the US most likely would never invade France, or any other European nation...

 

[Dillinger4]

You don't really have a point, do you?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

the point is that the US most likely would never invade France, or any other European nation...

The underlying assumption of that being that they have the capability.

Anyway, this being one of the most clueless threads I've ever seen on here, I'm not hanging around to argue about it.

 

[Detroit City]

You don't really have a point, do you?

yea I do....Europeans can have their bleedin' love/hate relationship with the US and get away with it whereas other nations can't cause they aren't white and/or christians.

 

[Dillinger4]

oh, sorry I don't know how I missed that deeply intellectual conclusion.

 

[Dillinger4]

I must have been blinded by all your proof.

 

[Detroit City]

oh, sorry I don't know how I missed that deeply intellectual conclusion.

yea see....when brown people who happen to be islamic or whatever religion talk shit about the US they are labeled as terrorists.....but when some white French person talks negatively about the US nothing happens.

sort of funny, innit?

 

[JTG]

yea see....when brown people who happen to be islamic or whatever religion talk shit about the US they are labeled as terrorists.....but when some white French person talks negatively about the US nothing happens.

sort of funny, innit?

no, they're usually labelled 'supporters of terrorism'

 

[Gromit]

America doesn't bomb european nations not because of racism or sentimentality or anything like that.

Its cause europe has the bomb just like them.

 

[Hi-ASL]

yea I do....Europeans can have their bleedin' love/hate relationship with the US and get away with it whereas other nations can't cause they aren't white and/or christians.

I think that's a fair point and, if that's what you meant, you should have expressed it more clearly.

Britain, like most countries in the world, plays host to it's fair share of Al Qaeda fighters and yet, curiously, I don't see many tanks rolling over my milk bottles. Or any actually.

It is a bit strange.

 

[JTG]

America doesn't bomb european nations not because of racism or sentimentality or anything like that.

Its cause europe has the bomb just like them.

It's also because Europe provides useful staging posts for launching attacks on places with weak infrastructure and large natural resources - those places either being within Europe itself or elsewhere (such as Diego Garcia for example)

 

[Detroit City]

America doesn't bomb european nations not because of racism or sentimentality or anything like that.

Its cause europe has the bomb just like them.

surely you jest....98% of the nuclear warhead in existence are owned by the US or the former USSR....Europe doesn't have enough collective warheads to blow up a small pacific island.

gotta go to sleep mates, its 8am here and I've been up all nite

 

[London_Calling]

No Europe, no Wall Street. No Wall Street, no empire.

 

[Gromit]

surely you jest....98% of the nuclear warhead in existence are owned by the US or the former USSR....Europe doesn't have enough collective warheads to blow up a small pacific island.

gotta go to sleep mates, its 8am here and I've been up all nite

You won't mind us dropping one of our insignificant nukes that couldn't blow up an island on Washington or New York then.

Considering what happened to Hirosima with a nuke even smaller than us pittiful europeans have today.

 

[Dillinger4]

The problem with US'ers, IMO, is that they have a surfeit of information and opinion and little in the way of fact or knowledge.

They then take an opinion from somewhere, then use a load of information to prove it (as long as said information fits their preformed opinion).

Just an opinion like.

 

[nosos]

yea I do....Europeans can have their bleedin' love/hate relationship with the US and get away with it whereas other nations can't cause they aren't white and/or christians.

There are two different propositions here:

i) Europeans 'anti-americanism' is caused by the fact that they can get away with it
ii) Europeans get away with things America wouldn't tolerate from other nations

Both are fucking stupid but the former is considerably more stupid than the latter.

 

[London_Calling]

Err, no. Europe has more leverage now because it is a single trading bloc as large and significant as the USA itself, and because it has a currency as viable as the $US.

 

[dilute micro]

America doesn't bomb european nations not because of racism or sentimentality or anything like that.

Its cause europe has the bomb just like them.

You seriously can't believe that the US is frightened by European countries.

 

[Gromit]

You seriously can't believe that the US is frightened by European countries.

They were scare shitless of Korea when they started testing and we don't even need to test.

Why are we rebuilding our trident fleet? Its not because the UK needs deterants anymore but to keep the US from losing the healthy respect for us that we might not have if we were no longer a nuclear power

 

[London_Calling]

Why are we rebuilding our trident fleet? Its not because the UK needs deterants anymore but to keep the US from losing the healthy respect for us that we might not have if we were no longer a nuclear power

Again, no. It has to do with several 'top table' related realpolitik issues. The simplist of which is 'what the fuck is this relatively insignificant country doing on the UN Security Council when there are far more sensible candidates'.

As always, it's actually for a basket of reasons that outweigh the other basket of reasons (for not renewing) Trident, but all of them concern the UK's on going desire to 'punch above its weight' i.e. to continue to be able to contribute to forming and shaping the internnational agenda.

 

[Dillinger4]

You seriously can't believe that the US is frightened by European countries.

For fucks sake.

Its only crazys who think 'Frightening' people is a priority.

 

[TAE]

In other words, the Europeans can say whatever negative shit they want to about the US and talk smack and nothing will happen to them. No invasions, no bombings, nothing....

Do Americans think we deserve to be invaded/bombed for saying what we think about (some of) them?
Are Americans anti-Iran because they know Iran is not really a threat?

WTF?!

 

[TAE]

no, the message is that the US most likely won't strike fear into the Europeans hearts so they don't need to be pro-American.

Oh, I see.

In that case ... WTF?