Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by tim, Apr 29, 2017.

  1. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    Oh for fuck's sake, not the old "we shouldn't do space stuff before solving each and every problem on Earth" nonsense. The two go hand in hand, or at least they should. Getting our mineral resources from asteroids and moving our manufacturing into space would solve multiple environmental problems, for a start.
     
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  2. sir.clip

    sir.clip Well-Known Member

    I do kinda feel that way..

    I do, i know its a bit selfish but i do think its best to finish a job before moving on..
     
  3. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    If there's one thing this planet is not short of, it's talented and intelligent people who could be trained to help solve a whole spectrum of issues. I think we can afford to divide our efforts as a species.
     
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  4. sir.clip

    sir.clip Well-Known Member

    Its very risky to heading of into the unknown.
    The world/Earth could be really lovely and cosy if we all pull together..
     
  5. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    Humanity wasn't pulling together when those living in Asia crossed the Bering Strait into the virgin lands of the Americas, or when the Polynesians colonised the Pacific islands. A lot of critics of human space exploration like to draw comparisons with the taming of the Wild West, but they never seem to mention those two other, much longer, periods of history in which humans were pushing boundaries.
     
  6. tim

    tim Well-Known Member

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    Would making good spoons on Venus with iron ore mined from an asteroid relly do that much to save the environment?
     
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  7. sir.clip

    sir.clip Well-Known Member

    Pushing Boundaries is a horrible expression..
     
  8. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    Why the fuck would you make anything on Venus? It's at the bottom of a gravity well almost as strong as Earth's. What you do is put the factories in Earth orbit.
     
  9. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    ...why? Is this another weird Urban vocabulary hangup?
     
  10. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    Weirdo.
     
  11. sir.clip

    sir.clip Well-Known Member

    Imagine that job, an iron ore factory in earth orbit.. i worry for the future of the poor...
     
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  12. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    The way things are going now, the robots will have already taken all the poor peoples' jobs by that point anyway. Any humans still involved in the process at that point will be highly-trained specialists raking in danger pay like oil rig workers, not some Stakhanovite caricatures.
     
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  13. I'd go to a Spoons on Venus, when's curry night?
     
  14. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    Watch out for the metallic snow:

     
  15. sir.clip

    sir.clip Well-Known Member

    Surley a
    The robots...???

    them same robots that work in iron ore factory in india?
     
  16. I'll make sure the table in the beer garden comes with a brolly.
     
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  17. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    India has cheap labour and a breathable atmosphere that comes for free. But that labour is not going to stay cheap forever, and it's been the case for a couple of decades already that many Indian workers have skills (such as a reasonable grasp of English) which are useful to service providers in countries like the UK and US. Hence all that outsourcing business.
     
  18. sir.clip

    sir.clip Well-Known Member

    Well lets all move to mars then. Cause Labours not going to stay cheap forever.. we can deplete that place of resources with robots who work for free.. Yes wicked idea bro.. Ill blast my red car up there too see if its ok by the worlds leaders before we go in....
     
  19. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    Anything mined on Mars will most likely be for local consumption, at least for the foreseeable future. You're forgetting that Mars, like Venus, is a planet and thus there is a significant energy cost in getting stuff into orbit. Whereas asteroids, because they are too small to have any appreciable gravity, require less energy to take stuff from them.
     
  20. sir.clip

    sir.clip Well-Known Member

    Amazing facts, yes amazing! science is a true gift .. Amen
     
  21. tim

    tim Well-Known Member

    It's a Harvey Winestein excuse
     
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  22. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    Ahhhhh
     
  23. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    What's he got to do with anything?
     
  24. joustmaster

    joustmaster offcumdun

    I think he was in the spacesuit that was sat in the car.
     
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  25. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    Isn't Weinstein a fat cunt? His disgusting bulk should have been noticeable under the suit.
     
  26. sir.clip

    sir.clip Well-Known Member

    On his way up to spoons on Venus for the buffet..
     
  27. Sea Star

    Sea Star Woman. Feminist. Socialist.

    Taming the wild West, otherwise known as genocide of the native American people.
     
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  28. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    Just as an aside.. You do know that the term snake oil salesman derives from a true American showman who actually skinned and boiled rattlesnakes live in front of audiences to extract the oil? The fakery was just in the claims that it would be useful.
    Clark Stanley - Wikipedia
     
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  29. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    Yes, that was my point. The settlement of space will be more like the kind of settlement done by the Polynesians or the Bering Strait crossers, due to there being no natives to crush underfoot.
     
  30. tim

    tim Well-Known Member

    Weinstein is a rapist, that is what makes him disgusting, not his physical build. If you have an aversion to fat people perhaps you should seek medical help rather than spewing up your prejudices here
     

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