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Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?

tommers

Not just a little bit of a slag, but a total slag.
It's a court settlement of the fraud charges. I imagine he agreed under pressure from the board / lawyers.
 

weltweit

Well-Known Member
It's a court settlement of the fraud charges. I imagine he agreed under pressure from the board / lawyers.
Does that mean they have already decided he is guilty of the charges?

And does it mean he has severed his control of Tesla permanently? or until resolution of the case?
 

tommers

Not just a little bit of a slag, but a total slag.
Does that mean they have already decided he is guilty of the charges?

And does it mean he has severed his control of Tesla permanently? or until resolution of the case?
No it means they've settled the case. It specifically says he doesn't accept guilt.

He can't be a chairman for three years.

I have no idea how Tesla is structured but they've clipped his wings, definitely. He's still the CEO but I imagine the job of the new Chair of the board will be to keep him under control.
 

editor

hiraethified

Elon Musk has announced that the test tunnel for his high-speed subway concept will officially open in Los Angeles on December 10. Musk, who made the promise on Twitter last night, said that the public will even get free rides on the roughly 2-mile test route the following day, Tuesday, December 11.

Officially called The Loop (not to be confused with the still-imaginary Hyperloop), Musk received approval to construct the 2-mile route in the city of Hawthorne, California along 120th Street. Hawthorne, situated near LAX airport, is technically independent of Los Angeles, but most locals just think of it as another part of L.A.’s sprawling city.

Musk’s experiment, constructed by his endeavor The Boring Company, is advertised as having a top speed of 155mph (250kph) but it’s not clear yet how quickly passengers will get from Point A to Point B. Details about how fast it accelerates to that top speed have not been made public. The existing Los Angeles subway has an average operating speed of just over 25 mph.

Photos on the company website show the Hawthorne tunnel, which appears identical to any other underground train system in the world.
https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-says-high-speed-subway-test-tunnel-scheduled-1829903450
 

Crispy

The following psytrance is baṉned: All
It's a ludicrous idea, IMO. All the high costs of an underground metro, with a tenth of the capacity.
 

NoXion

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It's a ludicrous idea, IMO. All the high costs of an underground metro, with a tenth of the capacity.
I wonder how it compares with the maglev train I hear they have connecting Beijing (or was it Shanghai?) with its airport.
 

Crispy

The following psytrance is baṉned: All
I wonder how it compares with the maglev train I hear they have connecting Beijing (or was it Shanghai?) with its airport.
This isn't anything like that. This thing is supposed to be a hybrid car/bus public transit system where there are no "stations" just elevators that take pods directly down to the tunnels. The problem is that stopping distances etc. still apply so the number of vehicles/hour that can be squeezed through a tunnel is fundamentally limited to about 90. If that's 90 tube trains, you can move 100,000 people/hour. If it's 90 20-person pods, it's fuck all. I just don't get it. It'll either cost £500 a go, or someone at Boring hasn't done some basic capacity sums.
 

NoXion

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This isn't anything like that. This thing is supposed to be a hybrid car/bus public transit system where there are no "stations" just elevators that take pods directly down to the tunnels. The problem is that stopping distances etc. still apply so the number of vehicles/hour that can be squeezed through a tunnel is fundamentally limited to about 90. If that's 90 tube trains, you can move 100,000 people/hour. If it's 90 20-person pods, it's fuck all. I just don't get it. It'll either cost £500 a go, or someone at Boring hasn't done some basic capacity sums.
So more like Personal Rapid Transit with the added expense and complexity of a tunnel network?
 

8ball

Hetero Sapiens
But pointless for an intensive metro (which he's been punting this as, for things like airports and stadiums)
Hmm - yeah - just a couple of people in that car so I figured it was for the Kanye's and Beyonce's of the world.
 

Bahnhof Strasse

A-wob a-bob bob
I wonder how it compares with the maglev train I hear they have connecting Beijing (or was it Shanghai?) with its airport.
Shanghai, sadly it's just a toy as they couldn't finish it to the centre of town due to fears of magnets giving off cancer or something, so it goes from the airport to somewhere no one wants to go to, really fast.
 

NoXion

Keep an eye out for diamonds

FridgeMagnet

Administrator
The Japanese maglev is a real project. Phase 1 should be running by 2027

Chūō Shinkansen - Wikipedia
The one thing that might make me want to go to Japan for the 2020 olympics would be the chance to try that out - though from the early trials, people generally said that it was kind of boring. In fact the normal Shinkansen _is_ kind of boring as an experience, except normally you can look out of the window, which makes it less boring. (Also you can smoke on some of them.)
 

ferrelhadley

These violent delights have violent ends.
Clean Tech media sites have been buzzing about Model 3 production numbers for the past couple of months.

There may be some very bitter motor industry analysts in the next 24 hours. Someone seems to have flogged a lot of that snake oil. Q3 data due early.
 

yield

zero
Inside Tesla’s factory, a medical clinic designed to ignore injured workers
05/11/18
When a worker gets smashed by a car part on Tesla’s factory floor, medical staff are forbidden from calling 911 without permission.

The electric carmaker’s contract doctors rarely grant it, instead often insisting that seriously injured workers – including one who severed the top a finger – be sent to the emergency room in a Lyft.
Injured employees have been systematically sent back to the production line to work through their pain with no modifications, according to former clinic employees, Tesla factory workers and medical records. Some could barely walk.

The on-site medical clinic serving some 10,000 employees at Tesla Inc.’s California assembly plant has failed to properly care for seriously hurt workers, an investigation by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting has found.
What a shit place to work.
 

extra dry

Happy to be here
He is offering his cars to help in evac of southern cali wildfires. He claims that due to the air filters in his cars they are far safer than say a damp cloth.
 
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