Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by tim, Apr 29, 2017.

  1. emanymton

    emanymton A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.

    I'd have thought the fact they keep killing people might have tipped him off.
  2. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Self-cleaning oven, the whole bit.

    Risk your life to save a bunch of otherwise doomed kids?
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  3. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Self-cleaning oven, the whole bit.

    He's suing in the UK under UK law so why anyone would bother consulting an American lawyer is anyone's guess.
  4. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    I read he is suing in both the US and the UK.

    American libel law seems a lot trickier to get something to stick than in the UK. Given he's up against a stupendously rich person I hope he is on no win no fee.
  5. gosub

    gosub ~#

    If his one will pickup litter at the same time, we may be getting somewhere
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  6. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    Don't be a plank, Frank. That'll be why the suit has been filed in federal court in LA as well as here then, will it?

    The pay dirt will come from the US case.
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2018
  7. Combustible

    Combustible Well-Known Member

    Since the libel law changes in 2013 its apparently pretty difficult to sue non-EU residents for libel in the UK.
  8. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Needs a telethon for this severely under-diagnosed condition :(

    I'm sure there'd be no shortage of celebs to appear. For the right price.
  9. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    There is an extra barrier - it has to be shown that " of all the places in which the statement complained has been published, England and Wales is clearly the most appropriate place in which to bring an action in respect of the statement." As a British citizen, that should be compratively straightforward. The abrrier was there to stop the likes of Polanski suing (American mag) Paris Match in British courts cos he thought they were more favourable.
  10. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    Now the DOJ are investigating Tesla over the 'funding secured' tweets.
  11. tim

    tim EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)

  12. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    he will surely settle out of court? Musk has no defence whatsoever.
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  13. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    He even tweeted something along the lines of ‘I don’t know why he hasn’t sued me yet’.
  14. Combustible

    Combustible Well-Known Member

    I agree there seems to be more justification for a UK case than for that example or for two squabbling Russian oligarchs etc, but I couldn't find much about how strict courts are in interpreting where the most appropriate place is when the defendant is not a UK resident or citizen. It may not even have been tested in court yet, and Unsworth might not be considered a UK resident anymore. Also because of the SPEECH act, US courts can only enforce foreign libel judgements if the case would also have been libel in the US, in which case why not just sue in the US in the first place (although Musk may have UK assets as well).
  15. equationgirl

    equationgirl Respect my existence or expect my resistance

    This is not really news, it's been known he was doing it because there was a court case about one of his employees allegedly stealing confidential information because he was working on the top secret EV project and accepted a job with a competitor. Court case was sealed, but unsealed several months ago.

    Dyson claims he's going to invest £2bn in this project. Haven't believed him since he berated the British government for not supporting UK manufacturing then moved his production base to Malaysia. His foray into kitchen appliances didn't go well either.
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  16. tim

    tim EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)

    I'm sure the vehicle will suck, which, in my experience, is something you cannot say about his hoovers.
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  17. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    Turns out it is happening. Being charged with securities fraud by the SEC.
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  18. 8ball

    8ball Actually, some of my best friends are NT

    Little will come of that, perhaps aside from him not doing it again.
  19. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    Probably. However one of the potential outcomes is he's permanently banned from being a CEO.
  20. 8ball

    8ball Actually, some of my best friends are NT

    Well, I’m going to stick my neck out and say that’s not going to happen. :)
  21. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Musk as the first proper real Bond villain? Maybe that car he shot into space is some kind of doomsday device he'll use to blackmail the world.
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  22. mauvais

    mauvais change has become unavoidable

    Again, probably. It's not all in his favour though: with this (stock down 10% today), Pedogate and other incidents, there's now lots of Tesla investors that'd like to throw him under the bus in exchange for a proper boss, the particulars of this shitshow don't seem to offer simple excuse or mitigation, and it speaks to core values of modern America - don't fuck with the market - enough for it to at least hold interest.
  23. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

  24. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    Ooh. Interesting.
  25. tommers

    tommers Your disco needs you

    SEC co-director of enforcement: "We allege Musk arrived at the price of $420 by assuming a 20 percent premium and rounding up to $420 because of its significance in marijuana culture and his belief his girlfriend would be amused by it."

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  26. 8ball

    8ball Actually, some of my best friends are NT

    A lot of investors won’t go for throwing him under the bus - you lose an erratic manager but you also lose the ideas guy.
  27. tommers

    tommers Your disco needs you

    "Elon and the board have agreed to bring in xxxxxx to help Elon with the day to day running of the company"
  28. 8ball

    8ball Actually, some of my best friends are NT

    Yeah, but that rather depends on Elon agreeing.
  29. tommers

    tommers Your disco needs you

    No longer Chairman of Tesla. $20 million settlement. Board now "oversee" his tweets.
    petee and Signal 11 like this.
  30. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Did he jump or was he pushed?

    I can't read that document.

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