Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by tim, Apr 29, 2017.

  1. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    Stark. First Ben Elton book I ever read.

    as for miracle tech, we're now landing re-usable rockets on floating sea platforms. Thats pretty good I recon. Even if I won't even get to go on the B ark
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  2. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    "We?" "He" surely!
  3. phillm

    phillm Trolling through Life (TM)

  4. Idris2002

    Idris2002 Xmas eve, you know?

    I wish I'd thought of that, phillm.

    The flaw in Musk's vision of a Mars colony to save humanity is that we don't know if the human species can conceive and bear children in anything other than 1g, Earth gravity. My guess is no, the hairless apes can't conceive and bear children in zero g, or the one-sixth g you get on Mars.

    As for the electric car, it's fine for what it is, but what someone really needs to do is bust the algae problem - it's proven that geneticaly engineered algae can produce hydrocarbons that can be used as fuel, but the (so far) insurmountable problem has been scaling it up from the laboratory desk to an industrial scale.
  5. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Yep. His job description at SpaceX is "chief designer" and by all reports he is intimately involved with all levels of design, from the metallurgy of turbopump turbine blades to the manufacturing process for welding huge pieces of aluminium alloy. A very smart man.

    Gwynne Shotwell actually runs the business. She's the one with the finance experience.

    He works his staff to death, but I bet he'd be just as tough on his comrades under some other system.

    (Although he practically worships the American Dream, so I guess he'd rather defect than show any solidarity with his fellow man)
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  6. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Tesla Workers File Charges With National Labor Board as Battle With Elon Musk Intensifies

    Workers at Tesla’s Fremont, California electric car factory have filed a unfair labor practice charge with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), accusing the company of illegal surveillance, coercion, intimidation and prevention of worker communications. The employees, who have been attempting to organize the approximately 7,000 workers at the plant through the United Auto Workers, claim that Tesla violated multiple sections of the National Labor Relations Act, which protects the right to unionize.

    “I know my rights, and I know that we acted within them,” said Jonathan Galescu, a body repair technician. Galescu and his colleagues have previously cited low pay, hazardous work conditions and a culture of intimidation as motivations to unionize the plant.
  7. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    And the prick ruined a whole simpsons episode with his characterless reading.
  8. Idris2002

    Idris2002 Xmas eve, you know?

    He's basically the privatised Werner Von Braun, then.
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  9. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse A-wob a-bob bob

    Booked a flight for his ma from LA to London recently, was on BA in business class, not first, which is where billionaires' mums usually sit if not flying privately.

    No opinion on Musk though other than them Teslas are well fucking expensive.
  10. pocketscience

    pocketscience Well-Known Member

    Are any of these reports online - specifically showing how he's "involved"?
    As chief engineer I'd image he's completely decoupled from technical problem solving and ultimately driven by budget targets.
  11. tim

    tim EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)

    Except Von Braun's rockets actually worked.
  12. tim

    tim EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)

    Classic deluded authoritan leader claims
  13. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Aye whey, adds an interesting slant onto living a boring life:D
  14. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Very few actually, as opposed to some of Fords and GMs offerings.
  15. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    He wants to move us from dependence on FFs as major sources of energy, FMS, he could have retired as a multi millionaire 10 times over, but he keeps looking for ways to reduce our dependence on FFs!
    But then again, mebbes you know something I ( and most stock exchanges have missed)?
  16. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Once the Gigafactory comes on line and his model 3 comes into production then those who invested should be seeing a handsome return on their investments.
    However on past performance, he tends to plough potential profits into the 'next big idea'
    His Mars ambitions and his subterranean highways may seem a bit far fetched:eek::D
    But given his performance in moving the world in the direction of BEVs, a major transition away from the ideas of a centralised electricity grid system and all the other innovations he has 'forced' the major players to
    I don't know where he's going, but his actions up to now have all proved immensely beneficial.
  17. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Yeah really beneficial.
  18. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

  19. Cid

    Cid 嗯嗯

    Mars has 38% of earths gravity... and anyway you can potentially solve the gravity problem with off world ring habitats (centrifugal force). Not that their aren't other problems of course.

    On the electric car they need to solve the battery problem too. That one's tough.
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  20. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Beneficial, as in moving the world away from a reliance on FFs, I've seen this article before,and IIRC it's a bit dubious, will have a scratch around, but IIRC it was more about the Koch bros and associates trying to put the boot into RE.
  21. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Yeah, totally dubious that silicon valley billionaire is a parasite that treats his workers like shit. And I bet all those Uber anti-union stories are just taxi firms putting the boot in.

    He but where would we be without visionaries like him, these big man change history!
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2017
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  22. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    He's already revolutionised the car industry and is well on his way to revolutionising near space technology, and he doesn't seem to crave publicity or massive wealth?
    Fuck it, he must be a fraud, find some spare timber and a few nails and have done with it.
  23. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Though I would normally agree with you on exploitation issues, Musk seems to have a different agenda,
    He genuinely seems to want to move humanity from its destructive addiction to FFs, amassing personal wealth doesn't seem to be his driving force.
    Now, I know this sounds a bit naive, but I've been following what he's been up to for a few years now, and he comes across as genuine ( if a bit obsessed) in moving us not the path of RE, if you can provide links to prove otherwise?
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  24. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    It's solved, have a look at recent developments, nookie in space? Humankind will have 'space porno' within 20 seconds of the first 'mixed sex' mission to mars:D:thumbs:
  25. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    No, if you do even a bit of casual research the bloke gives most of the credit to his R&D, management and workers.
  26. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Yeah it's totally accidental that he's managed to become a billionaire, just happened like magic.

    So that's makes his exploitation ok does it? Look at that nice mister Gates giving all that money to charity, isn't he great.
  27. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Aye, Gates giving all that money to charity, what a total bastard.
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  28. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Yeah he's almost as wonderful as those great men Carneige and Rockefeller. Where would we be without these titans?
    Truely amongst the noblest of humans.

    One, two many Rockefellers!
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2017
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  29. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Self-cleaning oven, the whole bit.

    Is he trained as an aerospace engineer? Because it's not the sort of thing you can bluff your way through as an enthusiastic amateur.
  30. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    That's good sense. BA first is not really any better than business but costs a few grand more.

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