Is Conceptualisation a safe house?

[Robster970]

haven't we just ended up all colliding in agreement/disagreement in the postmodern cul de sac?

 

[Firky]

Which is what half of art is - make first think of a concept later!

I think your concept can evolve as you do the work but by the time you have an end product you should know what your concept is. If you ever had one. Sometimes you just do it for the hell of it. I bet there's loads of pictures, poems, buildings and things you like with no concept behind it

 

[pengaleng]

Which is what half of art is - make first think of a concept later!

see this is exactly the problem why most of it is utter rubbish, the concept means fuck all if it's unrelated to the work produced.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

haven't we just ended up all colliding in agreement/disagreement in the postmodern cul de sac?

I'm not turning round now we've come this far. Follow me through the garden of that there post modern bungalow - there's a secret alley that leads to the future

TOTALISM.

 

[zenie]

well maybe if you explained yourself a bit better we'd know what you were getting at instead of having to do guesswork to figure it out.

you said:



well why don't they? why doesn't that work make you feel anything? why doesn't it make a statement?

Because it's old hat, it's been done for hundreds of years.

People dont need to make commercial art or comissions of portraits they can do what they like, as long as it envokes something inside the viewer then that's what matters.

Saying 'I did it 'cos I felt like it' is not a form of expression, or a statement on the world around us! It's decorative.

I'm not saying decorative arts dont have a place in the art world but they're not the same thing.

 

[Robster970]

I'm not turning round now we've come this far. Follow me through the garden of that there post modern bungalow - there's a secret alley that leads to the future

TOTALISM.

there's another direction with post modernism associated with the extent of audience participation and becoming part of the work but aside from that, I can't see how you can come out of the post modern condition that Lyotard came up with

 

[zenie]

I love this threads

Well you're under the assumption that art requires concept and is a prerequisite. There was a thing about Augustus Welby Northmore Pugin on TV the other night, very famous designer and theorist of design. He died at 40. But his art wasn't a concept it was just a style he was obsessed with.

This is some of his stuff

I wouldn't call that fine art though?

 

[Firky]

I wouldn't call that fine art though?

No, nor me. But concept does not pacifically apply to fine art.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

...I can't see how you can come out of the post modern condition that Lyotard came up with

Of course you can. There's always something new. The world is always developing. You have to remember that we are only at the small tip of computerised stuff. Far to early to make set rules about it's effect on the world of art.

 

[zenie]

No, nor me. But concept does not pacifically apply to fine art.

specifically

sorry I thought that's what we were talking about?

 

[pengaleng]

People dont need to make commercial art or comissions of portraits they can do what they like, as long as it envokes something inside the viewer then that's what matters.

Saying 'I did it 'cos I felt like it' is not a form of expression, or a statement on the world around us! It's decorative.

So portraits cannot provoke emotion? I'd say that thats the main thing that portraits are about tbh, even those that are commissioned, after all most human emotion is portrayed through facial expression.

'I did it cos I felt like it' may be cited more than once, but how do you know how the person who created the piece is feeling unless this is portrayed through their meduim and art is very much so reflective of mood regardless of whether it's a scribble or anything else.

 

[Firky]

specifically

sorry I thought that's what we were talking about?

Read the OP again, methinks you've started drinking already

 

[zenie]

So portraits cannot provoke emotion? I'd say that thats the main thing that portraits are about tbh, even those that are commissioned, after all most human emotion is portrayed through facial expression.

I mean portraiture of yesteryear where artists made their bread and butter?

 

[zenie]

Read the OP again, methinks you've started drinking already

I thought we'd moved on....

Including every medium of art is far too broader question IMO.

Would you call that designer's work art?

 

[chilango]

surely its pretty bloody obvious when there is a good concept - you look at the work a bit puzzled, and then go "aaaaah!!" as opposed to "uh?", course context is important too.

 

[pengaleng]

I mean portraiture of yesteryear where artists made their bread and butter?

Surely those provoke some sort of emotion though? You still get people who earn their bread and butter from portraits, be it through paint, photography or whatever...

 

[Firky]

I thought we'd moved on....

Including every medium of art is far too broader question IMO.

Would you call that designer's work art?

Hell yeah!

I'd say this was a work of art:

 

[Robster970]

Of course you can. There's always something new. The world is always developing. You have to remember that we are only at the small tip of computerised stuff. Far to early to make set rules about it's effect on the world of art.

I'm not disagreeing Stan - it's just my puny pea brain can't see any light yet, just a reguritation of the same old same old....................

 

[zenie]

Hell yeah!

I'd say this was a work of art:

Hmm...interesting

 

[Firky]

You keep your cards very close to your chest, dude

Go on go home... get pissed, its ya birthday

 

[ohmyliver]

*leaps into thread*

conceptualism in the arts will be around for a long time, because it has sustained a number of critics and art teachers, and thus they have a vested interest in its continuation.

I do think its much the same as the Salon system in France in the mid to late 19th centuary though... another form of confining art establishment.

oh and what is Totalism?

 

[pengaleng]

oh and what is Totalism?

stanleys wadical new movement

 

[Stanley Edwards]

stanleys wadical new movement

Bit of a red herring. Sorry. Totalism is mine. I stole it from some music geezer. It's just a domain name with some very erm... 'traditional' sketches and stuff. Bit backward at the moment, but you never know!

 

[Firky]

I want to be part of your movement but do not have a monobrow

 

[Stanley Edwards]

 

[pengaleng]

I want to be part of your movement but do not have a monobrow

I heard you had to grow pubes first to have enough hormones left over for monowbrow, it's a shame you aint started puberty yet init.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

I'm not really into the snobby eyebrow art. Much prefer more accessible stuff like photographs of nothingness. Or, photographs of tractors. Everyone knows where they are with photographs of tractors. No conceptualism, no elitism, just two dying tractors in the Andalucian twilight. What a waste.

 

[pengaleng]

I like the photos of abandoned gold mines

 

[Stanley Edwards]

I like the photos of abandoned gold mines

You talking to me?

 

[pengaleng]

You talking to me?

you talkin' to me?