Is cheating the breathalyser wrong?
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Well, if it shows that you've thought ahead, that could make it worse. You're not just being stupid and irresponsible. You're being calculated and irresponsible.
But I'd basically go along with JC2's last point. It's a bit of a daft question because it's wrong to drink and drive, so you don't even get on to the next bit.
subversplat
writer of wrongs
So in other words you'd be stupid not to.
The person being breathalised may have a drink problem. If they are breathalised and court action is succesful against them they may agree to a treatment program as part of the sentence. So by cheating the breathalyser they may in turn be avoiding the offer of said treatment. So they will suffer from cheating the breathalyser.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
That's sort of it. Once you start down the road, the rest just sort of falls into place.
Once you do the murder, you're going to try and dispose of the body.
Once you drink and drive, you're going to chew that handful of pennies.
I once saw two lasses get knocked of a motorbike by a drunk who hit them from behind.
I helped pick up the girls who were only slightly injured while a crowd held the bastard who was taken by the cops. His really hard luck was there the cops were just over the road at the time and saw the lot.
He will have been direct to prison for that here.
Fuck him and fuck anyone else stupid enough to do it.
I helped pick up the girls who were only slightly injured while a crowd held the bastard who was taken by the cops. His really hard luck was there the cops were just over the road at the time and saw the lot.
He will have been direct to prison for that here.
Fuck him and fuck anyone else stupid enough to do it.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Looking back, I agree with this, and that's my point on this thread. I suspect that most people here feel the same way as you, but with certain 'buzzword' crimes, like drinking driving, this moralistic stance comes out.
What I'm asking the people who hold that position is, how do you differentiate between crimes etc, such that with certain ones, the person should be turning themselves in, throwing themselves on the mercy of the court etc; but with others, it's ok to try to duck the charge.
internetstalker
Get naked!
No, it's the drink driving thats wrong
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
Of course, it's very healthy and necessary to challenge and subvert the power of the state at every possible juncture. See also tax evasion.
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Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Unless, of course, the state is one that you helped create, and is one with which you agree.
I think I come from a very different time and place when it comes to drinking and driving. When I was young, everyone did it, young and old. We started drinking early, at a time when we owned motorbikes, but couldn't own cars, so we learned to be drunk and drive, on a two wheeled vehicle. It kept you aware of the inherent danger in the situation. I only recall having accidents twice in this situation, and both times, I was a passenger.
When we could finally get cars, at 16, people started dying. But it was mostly themselves that they killed, not others. Maybe the streets were emptier.
Alan was the first. A short guy with a round head and glasses, and an expectant look on his face. He started drinking late, around seventeen, and on one of the first outings, he cracked up his car and killed himself. Being kids ourselves, we blamed his late blooming in the drinking sweepstakes as the culprit.
Next ones I remember are three guys going around this bypass road that went through a valley. They went too fast, and left the road. They were drunk. The driver and passenger nearest the passenger door were tall. When the car rolled, they died, and the short guy in the center lived. He went on to become a real estate salesman. One with an Italian fro and a moustache, but a RE agent nonetheless. Beats the fate of his buddies.
There were actually more drug deaths. The guys shooting heroin on a trip back from Vancouver to Alberta. They left the road, went over a cliff. I guess it's to be expected if you shoot junk and drive on the highway. One died at the scene, one climbed up the cliff with a broken hip, and survived. At least till he killed himself about five years later.
The guy I know who caned the most dope I've ever seen, got a shotgun and shot himself in his parents' basement, right at suppertime. I guess he wanted to spoil the meal.
George, who did drugs, but was more famous for ripping people off in junk deals. Somehow, he got shot when some guys went off into the prairie on a hunting trip.
Others, friends I don't want to talk about.
This isn't some moralistic rant, but back when we were all doing all these stupid things, it seems like the balance of death weighed more heavily on the drugs side.
Doesn't make drinking and driving right, but...... I don't know what.
I don't drink and drive anymore, haven't for decades; but I don't do a lot of the asinine things anymore that I did when I was a teenager.
"This is a device enabling the drunken driver to operate in
absolute safety.
You fill this with piss, take this pipe down the
trouser and sellotape this valve to the end of the old chap. Then
you get horribly drunk and they can't fucking touch you.
According to these instructions, you refuse everything except a
urine sample. You undo your valve, give them a dose of
unadulterated child's piss and they have to give you your keys
back.
Danny's a genius. I'm going to have a doze."
absolute safety.
You fill this with piss, take this pipe down the
trouser and sellotape this valve to the end of the old chap. Then
you get horribly drunk and they can't fucking touch you.
According to these instructions, you refuse everything except a
urine sample. You undo your valve, give them a dose of
unadulterated child's piss and they have to give you your keys
back.
Danny's a genius. I'm going to have a doze."
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
I also thought a blood test was still compulsory after a positive breath test, and that result was what any prosecution would be based on. Or is that just the Scottish police policy?
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
There are very few defences. Pretty much life or death only. About the only one I can remember succeeding was a guy in a remote area who drove a critically ill relative to meet an ambulance and he mentioned his state in advance to the control room, who decided the severity of the situation warranted the risk - His court appearance was a formality leading to a discharge because of the exceptional circumstances.
Otherwise it is pretty much mittigation, attempting to reduce the severity of the inevitable.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Drinking and driving is a fucking cunts game. I see it all the time, people blatantly clattered driving like nobs.
I woke up in hospital last year after a pissed up waste of skin had gone straight on at a set of lights, being pissed she was confused by the left hand filter light.
I woke up in hospital last year after a pissed up waste of skin had gone straight on at a set of lights, being pissed she was confused by the left hand filter light.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I think we can all join hands and agree that drink-driving is wrong.
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subversplat
writer of wrongs
Yeah exactly, just like any hot potato topic nobody can see past "drink driving" and actually argue the deeper, more interesting question of whether it's acceptable for a plainly guilty man to evade justice on such an issue.
But hey, everbody's got knees that need jerkin'!
Yetman
Cheesecar Fucksquad #1
A chronic alcoholic will. And I cant just walk down the shops can I? I'm too bloody pissed, anything could happen!
Not necessarily.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
As I understand it, there are more defences than one might think. Lots of technical arguments involving the nature of the testing, the state of the equipment etc.
I had acquaintance of a lawyer who'd worked as a crown prosecutor, prosecuting drunk driving charges. He quit the crown, went out on his own, and charged a flat fee for getting people acquitted of the same charges he'd prosecuted before. He had a very good success rate.
I do hope a drunk crashes into him one day.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
bollocks . You suck a coin and pass the breathaliser but your still drunk so you your free to get in your car and drive again , which is what most people would do .
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You haven't been reading what I've posted very carefully. I've stated again and again that drunk driving is wrong. If you get back in the car and drive drunk again, you're doing wrong again.
Personally I recognize only the law of conscience. But fortunately that corresponds to the law of the land in most cases, including drink-driving. If I'm driving I'll have one drink, maybe two over a whole evening.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
I understood what you meant but if your going to drink drive then cheat the breathaliser are you really then going to wait untill your sober to drive again ? So cheating the breathaliser is just a way to continue drunk driving so it is just as bad the drink driving is in the first place !
Trust me - some people are crap drivers. Also I think almost everyone, if they're honest, has had a moment when, due to lack of concentration or similar, makes a bad mistake - doesn't result in an accident but really shakes you up.
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