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Is Britain a culturally Marxist society?

monoglot said:
In particular the native group and their interest in defending the native character of their homeland.
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Among other things, you have misunderstood the historical processes that have shaped human societies ever since humans started spreading out of Africa. Nowhere illustrates this better than the UK, given its history in the past 2-3,000 years, the waves of invasions and its incorporation of scores of ethnic groups. The 'native character' of any place is not something that was set in stone on some miraculous day of creation. It is something that is constantly in flux, and reinvents itself with every passing generation.

I would like you to please define the 'native group' of the UK (if you are not using the word native literally, in which case this would include everybody born here) - who is in it and who is excluded from it, and what is your rationale for your choice. I would like to know exactly what species of bigot I am dealing with.
 
monoglot said:
In particular the native group and their interest in defending the native character of their homeland. In a genuinely free society people are free to determine what their own interests are as they see them and not to have them defined for them by an authority which has no sympathy, loyalty or understanding for the interests of that group.
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Problem with that is the 'authority' is not just a single monolithic block sharing identical beliefs and, secondly, the overwhelming majority of people who make the important decisions in our country are themselves drawn from the 'native group'. So the 'native group' doesn't have a unanimity of beliefs or interests either.
 
dash_two said:
Problem with that is the 'authority' is not just a single monolithic block sharing identical beliefs and, secondly, the overwhelming majority of people who make the important decisions in our country are themselves drawn from the 'native group'. So the 'native group' doesn't have a unanimity of beliefs or interests either.
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In a free pluralist society people are at liberty to be both tolerant and intolerant of change, a society which allows people only to be tolerant as cultural Marxism does and to believe only in equality is prejudiced against the native character and interests of that society. An individual who was only allowed to be tolerant and prohibited from defending his essential interests as he saw them might be considered to have a status much akin to that of a slave.
 
This is all a bit vague and I am struggling to see a connection between the post of mine which you quoted and your response to it.
 
dash_two said:
This is all a bit vague and I am struggling to see a connection between the post of mine which you quoted and your response to it.
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The point is that it is cultural Marxism which imposes a monolithic ideology of egalitarianism and tolerance on society which is prejudiced against native interests rather than permitting people to freely decide for themselves.
 
What are these native interests. Come on, make an effort. get JSE to help if you can't do it yourself. Some unanswered questions above as well.
 
monoglot said:
A system of rights which imposes a stifling egalitarianism on society and prevents groups from competing with one another and from effectively defending their interests as they see them denies that society the right to preserve its native character and is therefore prejudiced against that native character, this is cultural Marxism, a social model which is likely to produce the same debilitating effects which economic Marxism has on an economy in the cultural and social sphere.
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You're constructing a premise, that something you term "cultural Marxism" but haven't actually defined to have anything to do with "Marxism" or Marx, is the motivation behind the imposition of an "alien" set of values that are a reflection of "economic Marxism", are you not?
In which case it's a shame you haven't actually been able to support your poorly cobbled-together attempt at cultural theory with any relavant comparators.

It may sound good to the gullible, but all it is at the moment is poorly-thought out oratory.
 
kyser_soze said:
look mate, if you want to go around yelling racist/sexist/homophobic/theophobic/whatever comments, you are completely free to so so. Hell, if you want to write a paper on the scieitific reasons WASPs are the pinnacle of human evolution, stand at Speakers corner saying that Women should be in the kitchen, or stand at gay Pride yelling at everyone that they're killing the species via their non-procreative orientation you are COMPLETELY free to do so - the only things you can really be badgered by the OB on seriously is if you start calling for violent action to be taken against people.

But as LBJ quite rightly points out, anyone listening to the shit that would be spewing from your mouth who disagrees with it is also free to disagree with it in as vehement a way as is legally allowed...and if no-one's looking at the time maybe a little more.

Fuck all to do with Marxism - if you'd said Maoist or Leninist you might be on slightly stronger grounds, but you have failed to identify a philosophy that prevents or denies any group a right to defend it's interests - multiculturalism isn't a philosophy, it's an ongoing (and IMV misguided) political project that stems from a combination of the identity politics of the 70s and 80 and the notion of political correctness, which I agree in some of it's forms DOES behave the way newspeak works - ban the words and you have no way of expressing the thought, but that's impossible - if you have a thought you'll find a way to express it via some form of communication.
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"Marxist" sounds more "real" to a certain class of prejudiced idiot. :)
 
monoglot said:
The point is that it is cultural Marxism which imposes a monolithic ideology of egalitarianism and tolerance on society which is prejudiced against native interests rather than permitting people to freely decide for themselves.
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The ideals of egalitarianism and tolerance predate Marxism by a pretty long stretch.

Try again, and this time engage your mind.
 
Fruitloop said:
Isn't this just liberalism? I mean, why the 'cultural marxism' schtick? What exactly is marxist about it?
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I think that to "get" monoglot's ideas we have to put ourselves into a frame of mind where "Marxism" can be seen to be defined as just about the foulest thing in creation, and proceed from there. :)
 
The term "cultural Marxism" is not my term, it is the commonly used term which has been used to describe the phenomenon whereby the law is increasingly employed to force conformity to an egalitarian social ethos based on Marxist inspired concepts such as racism, sexism and homophobia etc.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I think that to "get" monoglot's ideas we have to put ourselves into a frame of mind where "Marxism" can be seen to be defined as just about the foulest thing in creation, and proceed from there. :)
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I suspect that to "get" monoglot's ideas (sic) you have to imagine a frame of mind (sic) that sees marxism/liberalism as part of the same cultural mindset established by the Jewish conspiritors who rule the World, and who use 'multi-culturalism', Marxism, liberalism, rap music, Supermarkets, sexual perversion (sic), and the welfare state in order to befuddle the unaware decent white man (and his woman) so to establish the dominance of wicked ways that seek to deny racial integrity and unity to all but the evil Jewish rulers....and proceed from there. :)

'white nationalist' innit.
 
monoglot said:
The term "cultural Marxism" is not my term, it is the commonly used term which has been used to describe the phenomenon whereby the law is increasingly employed to force conformity to an egalitarian social ethos based on Marxist inspired concepts such as racism, sexism and homophobia etc.
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Monoglot, why don't you fuck off back to your BNP chums? I don't think even Untethered would welcome you here.
 
monoglot said:
The term "cultural Marxism" is not my term, it is the commonly used term which has been used to describe the phenomenon whereby the law is increasingly employed to force conformity to an egalitarian social ethos based on Marxist inspired concepts such as racism, sexism and homophobia etc.
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It might be commonly used among the Dalek fraternity, but not anywhere else. Try 'political correctness' instead if you must.
 
monoglot said:
The term "cultural Marxism" is not my term, it is the commonly used term which has been used to describe the phenomenon whereby the law is increasingly employed to force conformity to an egalitarian social ethos based on Marxist inspired concepts such as racism, sexism and homophobia etc.
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So you can't even get that right. Interesting.

"Cultural Marxism" per se, and what you denigrate as "cultural Marxism" are two different things, one is an offshoot of cultural theory, the other is a labeling mechanism whereby someone, usually with a hard-right outlook, can attempt to denigrate social and cultural phenomena by attaching that label to them.

It's fairly easy to work out which definition you follow and apply.:)
 
Groucho said:
I suspect that to "get" monoglot's ideas (sic) you have to imagine a frame of mind (sic) that sees marxism/liberalism as part of the same cultural mindset established by the Jewish conspiritors who rule the World, and who use 'multi-culturalism', Marxism, liberalism, rap music, Supermarkets, sexual perversion (sic), and the welfare state in order to befuddle the unaware decent white man (and his woman) so to establish the dominance of wicked ways that seek to deny racial integrity and unity to all but the evil Jewish rulers....and proceed from there. :)

'white nationalist' innit.
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Pathetic, isn't it? :)

It's kind of bleakly amusing how often the right try to dress up their prejudice in intellectual's clothes (so far only Francis Parker Yockey has got anywhere close to succeeding), and how often they fail.
 
Racism is a marxist-inspired concept? Here was me thinking it was to do with, like, slavery and shit.

Seriously though, if you want to understand the liberal project and its legalistic post-modern incarnation then you would be better off looking at the origins of notion of civil society in the bloody conclusion to the Thirty Years War, the demise of feudalism and the birth of the state monopoly of violence and terror in the French Revolution, and the subsequent deformations of this type of state by the pressures of globalised capital. As it is I think you're using 'Marxist' as a synonym for 'nasty', without much thought or perhaps knowledge of what Marxism actually entails.
 
Fruitloop said:
Racism is a marxist-inspired concept? Here was me thinking it was to do with, like, slavery and shit.

Seriously though, if you want to understand the liberal project and its legalistic post-modern incarnation then you would be better off looking at the origins of notion of civil society in the bloody conclusion to the Thirty Years War, the demise of feudalism and the birth of the state monopoly of violence and terror in the French Revolution, and the subsequent deformations of this type of state by the pressures of globalised capital. As it is I think you're using 'Marxist' as a synonym for 'nasty', without much thought or perhaps knowledge of what Marxism actually entails.
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You put it more eloquently than I did. :)
 
The term "cultural Marxism" is not my term, it is the commonly used term
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Now listen here matey, I'm not just down wit' da yoof, I am also known to ambulate gently toward the bottom in the company of academics and am generally aware of the more Nathan Barley-esque terminology to emerge from Soho and Shoreditch, and I've NEVER seen that term used, commonly or uncommonly. So stick that in your multicultural pipe and smoke it.
 
Anything that gives less than 1 million matches I'd consider 'uncommon'

Seriously, I think I've heard it used once, about 14 years ago when I was at uni.
 
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