Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Kaka Tim, Jun 27, 2016.

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Will we have a brexit?

  1. Yes - A fully independant Britain making its own way in the world (apart from scotland).

    18.4%
  2. A Semi-Detached Norway type deal

    33.5%
  3. No - 2nd referendum and/or face saving fudge to let us slink back in feeling a bit fucking stupid

    48.1%
  1. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    il aurait mieux valu que boris johnson soit étranglé à la naissance
    (i don't think google's got it quite right but the meaning should be clear)
     
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  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    agricola
    i don't think google translate's fully trustworthy...

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  3. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    Certainly not - if you keep translating it between the two languages you end up with "for better race" via "class is better".
     
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  4. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    More than happy to do that :D
     
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  5. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

    This democracy lark is becoming complicated. The Scottish parliament has for the first time rejected a piece of Westminster legislation in the EU Withdrawal Bill.
    One irony that can be expected is that the Bill will be imposed on Scotland anyway, by the same brexiteers that decry the (false) notion that the EU imposes stuff on the UK.
    So we have a fair few 'will of the people' issues swirling about fighting for precedence. The will of the Scottish people expressed by their parliament is wiped out by the so called will of the UK population in voting for brexit.
    It might be worth asking why there are regional powers anyway, except it has been recognised by the UK generally that certain regions ought to have a degree of autonomy, but it turns out that autonomy can be sidelined.
    As a population Scotland voted against brexit, as a regional democratically elected parliament Hollyrood votes against the EU withdrawal bill.
    What will the right wing media make of that, the Lords being the enemy of the people, and Scotland being the enemy of, well the English I suppose.
    Is anybody tasked with drawing the country together post brexit? I don't envy them their job.
     
  6. andysays

    andysays Defiantly non-premium member

    "We're all in this together"
     
  7. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt & dyslexic cnut.

    They also voted to remain part of the UK, so they have to accept the UK wide vote for brexit.
     
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  8. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    Which translates as Boris & Mogg will throw us in the dodgy life raft and then stand on our heads to ensure they drown last. The cunts.
     
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  9. andysays

    andysays Defiantly non-premium member

    Looks like everyone who voted for Brexit is anti-Scots, as well as anti-Irish and racist
     
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  10. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt & dyslexic cnut.

    If you're attempting to have a go at me, you fail on so many levels.
     
  11. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

    Interesting that you (and I suppose others) use the word 'they' in the second part of your reply in this context, rather than the word 'we'.
    The Scottish independence referendum was indeed one where the Scottish population voted to be part of the UK, and as I said earlier, on one level the question arises about the point of regional assemblies, parliaments or whatever, if ultimately the regional differences of political opinion will always be trumped by Westminster.
    In this thread above there is reference to 'the national interest', but we inhabit a nation which does not completely want to be homogenous with itself, and to me begs the question as to what is 'the nation' anyway. Is it that regional cultural differences are acceptable and can be recognised and celebrated, but when it comes to the UK as a nation political differences are not always that acceptable?
    When I read the term above 'the national interest' I don't think it is an easy definition to define what the UK as a nation actually is. In what is supposed to be a unified nation there is a lot of us and them going on.
     
  12. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

    I think the dig was aimed at me.
     
  13. Hollis

    Hollis bloody furious

    Open door - to argue for a remain, soft Brexit position
    Other constituencies - well for starters just about everyone who doesn't fit into either your 'pro-EU middle-class liberal left' or 'pro-leave working class' - which in my book leaves a lot to play for..
     
  14. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

  15. taffboy gwyrdd

    taffboy gwyrdd Embrace the confusion!

  16. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

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  17. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    020 7930 4433
     
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  18. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    I was being sarcastic.

    More than 500 have already gone, as well as hundreds of thousands of workers, it appears. We won't see the damage for a while but it's already happening.
     
  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    presumably these hundreds of thousands of workers who have gone will be replaced by the incoming migrants.
     
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  20. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt & dyslexic cnut.

    And, yet employment is at record levels, with some impressive increases, considering uncertainty.

    UK record employment increases likelihood of interest rate hike
     
  21. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

  22. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt & dyslexic cnut.

    On average, yes.

    Although my team got a 5% increase last month.
     
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  23. Slo-mo

    Slo-mo Well-Known Member

    National minimum wage went up 4.4% in April.

    Whilst it's still way too low, the % increases under the Tories haven't been as bad as they might have been.
     
  24. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt & dyslexic cnut.

    That's why I pushed myself to give them a 5% increase, I want to keep them on well above the 'living wage', they are a cracking team, who have been with me for years, I don't want to see them drift off. Despite them engaged in what could be considered 'minimum wage work', the living wage went up to £7.38 ph, my team went up to £10.50 ph, and I am hoping to increase that to £11.00 ph next year.

    Partly paid by increased rates to new clients, partly by increasing volume of business.
     
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  25. Slo-mo

    Slo-mo Well-Known Member

    Good for you.

    If only the world was full of Cupid Stunts :)
     
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  26. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    That would take them to £21,200 per annum. The national average is £27k.
     
  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    median. not mean, not mode.

    i'd expect modal pay to be significantly below £27k
     
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  28. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt & dyslexic cnut.

    And, your point is? :hmm:
     
  29. Slo-mo

    Slo-mo Well-Known Member

    The national average is massively loaded by people in London, by high end professionals etc etc.
    Cupid Stunt is paying a very fair rate for anywhere outside the M25.
     
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  30. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    This illustrates the problem with economics. This was exactly the same claim the Terese May (after before her Cameron/Osborne/etc) made today about why everything is a-ok. It's the argument that successive governments have used to excuse their attacks on the welfare state and increasing inequality and/or poverty. You're playing on their terms.
     

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