Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Kaka Tim, Jun 27, 2016.

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Will we have a brexit?

  1. Yes - A fully independant Britain making its own way in the world (apart from scotland).

    17.9%
  2. A Semi-Detached Norway type deal

    33.3%
  3. No - 2nd referendum and/or face saving fudge to let us slink back in feeling a bit fucking stupid

    48.8%
  1. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

    To my own surprise, I'm really not bothered either way about blue passports, as in, I'd never have campaigned to reintroduce them (not caring much for Sun-led campaigns! :hmm: ), but I''m not up in arms, or even bothered, about them being reintroduced either ...

    My current passport is EU-brranded Burgundy and I don't care about that, it's just a thing that will get me to India in February once I've got my visa. And when it expires in 2023 I'll replace it with blue without being bothered at all.

    I'm a critical-of-Brexit Remainer, but there are many other things that are far more important than passport design ....
     
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  2. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

    I've occasionally seen the old passports in the recentish past in the course of my work (they were so old that they were invalid as ID, having expired). They looked as good as black admittedly, but really, if memory serves, they were very dark navy blue. Is this correct though?? :confused:
     
  3. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    Yeah, same as old bill and sailor's uniforms.
     
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  4. gosub

    gosub ~#

    ICAO do not permit passports to be issued in black, blue they do.
     
  5. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    Don't the Kiwis have black passports?
     
  6. sealion

    sealion Splish splash splosh

    He keeps on about leavers being lied to by lying to his own listeners :D
     
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  7. gosub

    gosub ~#

  8. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist specter haunting

    thre groan was amusingly childish yesterday. Leading on the website with a story that was headlined 'blue passports will mean delays' cos an EU bod said so so ner, and a sub story about how they won't be made in england. Jesus who gives a fuck, d'ancona endlessly farting into his hand and sniffing it.

    They were black in my memory anyway, and all I care about is that its not much change from a ton
     
  9. sealion

    sealion Splish splash splosh

    Guardian readers still spitting and angry :D

    SonofSagan LordMoore
    15h ago






    I look forward very much to when you and your 'majority' are driven into the sea. I'm sure you are a nice person but you are representative of an intellectual cancer that is is rotting our country and dividing our society in irreparable ways. But Merry Christmas to you.
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    michaelsherif LordMoore
    15h ago




    Is it humane to give myopic Brexiteers passports? This will enable to travel abroad - albeit with extra disadvantages - and ensure that they come face-to-face with non-English people, which could blow their tiny little minds.
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  10. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    So yeah, be good if people could not make it harder for other people to discuss and analyse imperialist power relations within and beyond the EU by throwing out irrelevant cultural stereotypes and xenophobia.
     
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  11. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    NB how, above, VW's misdemeanors are blamed not on the economic motives, decision making structure and relationship to government of a large corporation, but the ingrained character flaws of 'the Germans'.
     
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  12. bemused

    bemused Well-Known Member


    I read that, they said we'd have to use a similar system to the ESTA in the US. I travel to the US about once a month and the ESTA is pretty painless. It was a story about the shocking fact that if you aren't the EU you'll need to go through with some form of visa.
     
  13. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    Yeah, as with most stuff in that ‘paper’ it is wrong. They stated that all non-EU passports need a visa to enter the EU, which is a lie. We will need to show our passports, as we currently do when entering the Schengen zone from the UK or Ireland, nothing will change except the EU Lane will be closed to us, unless it isn’t.
     
  14. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Ridin' a Stutz Bearcat, Jim

    I want a green passport. What foolishness do I need to vote for to get one of them?
     
  15. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse Free the Sepsis Six!

    Get Irish citizenship, then agitate for iexit, once that’s done if things don’t look too clever the politicos will make the glorious pronouncement that the hated burgundy book is to return to splendid green. And much Guinness will be drunk that fine day.
     
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  16. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

    As bad Guardian remainism went, that was particularly bad. (And I'm a Remainer myself :oops: )

    Passport colour based shite is the lowest level Brexit 'controversy' ever ....
     
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  17. gosub

    gosub ~#

    I think the contraversy is of ALL the shit that's up in the air... I need a blue bit from my red white and blue Brexit.
     
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  18. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    I had one of the last of the old blue passports issued, summer 1991, first passport I ever had. The fondness I have for it was the handwritten date of birth, with a very short '1' that a skilled friend was able to neatly and convincingly amend into a nice round zero with a dark pencil, giving me the ability to drink in US bars several months early.
     
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  19. pocketscience

    pocketscience Well-Known Member

    No, as I said, they know already. We've spoken at length about it many a time.
    Just to show how fucking pathetic it is to label me racist/ xenophobic for what I said (and trying to get me banned for it lol), very close relatives of mine are from Saxony in the former East Germany. They're ashamed and deplored by the fact that the majority of the population in their constituency are (in the true sense of the words) racist and xenophobic. They wouldn't hesitate to confirm that the majority of the population in the region they live in is racist, most likely more racist that anywhere else in Europe. They hate racism and xenophobia and are actively fighting it, but are realists.
    Yet according to some imbecilic posters on this thread, they'd be, by the dictionary definition, racist and xenophobic themselves.
    Unfuckingbelievable... pat yourselves on the back.

    Borders were/are set up by cunts for their self fulfilling intentions - primarily to maintain their own power within these borders. These cunts set up systems within these borders that indoctrinate the people within. How the fuck is it racist to highlight the resulting differences of what goes on either side of these political borders? Either unsavoury or pleasant.
     
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  20. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    Tell us more about national characteristics?

    Albanians?
    Belgians?
    Canadians?
    Danish?
     
  21. pocketscience

    pocketscience Well-Known Member

    Fuck off and ask a dentist about ingrowing toenails
     
  22. B.I.G

    B.I.G Well-Known Member

    I don't get it. Is it cos I is English?
     
  23. teuchter

    teuchter je suis teuchter

    These are your anecdotes - you say that the majority of people in one part of germany are racist, therefore you are justified in making sweeping generalisations about the country as a whole. My anecdote - having lived for a little while in germany, visiting quite frequently and having a good few german friends - my opinion is that what you said, about the majority of german individuals having various unpleasant character traits, is a load of utter nonsense.

    You have to have a look at what you actually wrote. Maybe you just happened to word things badly, but what you wrote comes across as very dodgy which is why I ask if you have let your german relatives see the detail of what you said. It's one thing making observations about cultural norms that may cause one group of people to tend to behave slightly differently, on average, in certain situations, than another. It's another thing though to start talking about ingrained negative characteristics in the majority of a certain group of people. You specifically said "majority" and also used the word "individuals". The whole tone of your post feels dangerously close to full on racism that implies negative traits are genetic. That's why people have reacted. I realise you did not say that explicitly and may not have intended to imply anything like that but you should go and look at your wording and try and see why it skims on very dubious territory. And the word "crafty" which means getting things by underhand means. You do realise that's pretty much exactly the stereotype employed against Jews in earlier periods of German history?

    I don't have a problem with observations about germany's geographical and economic position being significant in how it interacts with the rest of Europe, and comparisons of the current situation with other periods in history. But as soon as you start talking about things like personality traits - you have to be very careful. Because that exactly is the kind of stuff that excuses racism and judging people on the basis of the group you've assigned them to rather than the individual themselves. And you don't get out of it with 'some of my best friends are German' backpedalling.
     
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  24. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Fixed that for you.
     
  25. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist specter haunting

    so they are going to trial the ID required at polling stations wheeze at next years locals. Five areas. Passports and drivers licenses cost money. 70 quid+. This is far more important than the goddam colour of the item. If the state requires me to have a passport to travel it should provide one, if it wants it for a vote then everyone should get it free. this policy had better be in the next labour manifesto.
     
  26. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Albanians - Violent vendetta-seekers.
    Belgians - Paedophiles.
    Canadians - Wanna-be US of A-ians.
    Danes - crypto-Krauts.

    Just a few I've heard recently, along with French - subsidy-guzzling garlic munchers; Poles - nation where all males are wife-beaters; Serbs - violently-xenophobic expansionist nationalists.
     
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  27. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    There's an issue in former DDR lande that anti-fascism and anti-racism are not as well-integrated into everyday thinking as in the former West Germany. This is supposedly - according to bodies like SOS Racisme and HRW - due to a lack of political de-Nazification (as opposed to de-Nazification by liquidation) in the east, and to a post-reunification landscape that left those lande with little industry, and with that little under a regulatory stranglehold. Easy to blame "the other", whether that's Brandenburgers or blacks, and there have always been politicians, post-reunification, who are willing to stir the pot, whether about unemployment, housing or general welfare. Such othering isn't innate though, as some posters appear to imply. It's very obviously a product of social attitudes that were born in the political class, pumped through the media, and normalised into "common-sense" usage over a period of time. Same old scapegoating shit, produced by a new class of arseholes.
     
  28. Raheem

    Raheem Well-Known Member

    If they have any sense, the voting ID card will be free, just because it will otherwise be describable as a "poll tax".
     
  29. NoXion

    NoXion Eat leaden death, demon...

    Pretty sure I read once that the British consume more garlic than the French. So much for that particular "national characteristic", it would seem.
     
  30. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    Urgh. The Mail (yes, I’m at the parents) is having a whine about leave campaign donors getting hit with a tax bill for their campaign contributions, without mentioning at all that the same tax demands have been made of remain campaign contributors. The worst bit is a quote from someone in Boris Johnson’s office describing leave backers as ‘plucky individuals’ rather than cunts.
     

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