Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Kaka Tim, Jun 27, 2016.

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Will we have a brexit?

  1. Yes - A fully independant Britain making its own way in the world (apart from scotland).

    17.0%
  2. A Semi-Detached Norway type deal

    31.4%
  3. No - 2nd referendum and/or face saving fudge to let us slink back in feeling a bit fucking stupid

    51.6%
  1. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    Watson has clearly been outplayed here.
     
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  2. andysays

    andysays Defiantly non-premium member

    But wait...
    Brexit: Labour deputy Tom Watson calls for referendum ahead of election
     
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  3. S☼I

    S☼I walk the water like a sun

    Watson's big play.
     
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  4. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Without music, life would be a mistake.

    What he wrote.
     
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  5. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    1111; how long to 2222?
     
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  6. Smokeandsteam

    Smokeandsteam Well-Known Member

    Watson’s move was inevitable once Corbyn gave ground.

    So now we have the possibility of no election and a second referendum (which the LDs and possibly the Nats are already lined up behind) being floated by the deputy leader. A renewed call for a unity government, not led by Corbyn of course, to ‘steer Britain through in the national interest’ will inevitably resurface.

    Watson’s big move indeed, but this time Momentum can’t be gathered fully against the labour right as Corbyn has been manoeuvred into playing this latest attack out in Parliament.

    ETA:

    1. Tom Watson “My experience on the doorstep tells me most of those who’ve deserted us over our Brexit policy did so with deep regret and would greatly prefer to come back; they just want us to take an unequivocal position that whatever happens we’ll fight to remain, and to sound like we mean it,”
    2. West Bromwich East Leave Vote: 69%
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2019
  7. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    Maybe a bit early for my brain...but I'm struggling to see much difference between Watson & 'the Labour position'.
    What am I missing?
     
  8. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Watson = 2nd ref before GE
    Corbyn = 2nd ref after GE

    ?
     
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  9. Smokeandsteam

    Smokeandsteam Well-Known Member

    Watson is calling for a GE to be put back indefinitely and for a referendum to take place first.

    Labour is calling for a GE, unclear when but after 31/10, if they win they will negotiate a deal and put it to a referendum with the deal v remain.

    Both shit. But different
     
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  10. Smokeandsteam

    Smokeandsteam Well-Known Member

    Yes
     
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  11. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    Labour are in a bind either way though. Committing to get a new deal and to then argue against it in a 2nd ref is nuts (now side-stepped by the LDs).
     
  12. Ranbay

    Ranbay The same rules apply

  13. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    So the Watson 'strategy' is EUrefII (which might very well = L , maybe 51 : 49) and then go to the nation on a full-fat remain ticket?
     
  14. flypanam

    flypanam Agrocultured and shitesayer

    It is depressing but lets not forget that everyone from Leo to the insurance industry are using Brexit as a cover for their policies (eg the FG administration brougt in legislation that sees the handicapped and disabled now have to pay 20 euros a week to get transport to and from day care) of increasing austerity and profitability for their own benefit. Insurance premiems will go up, not beacuse of Brexit but because its a profit run industry that has run without oversight for decades.

    It's galling that Howlin' Brendan of the Labour party was condemning Austerity and saying it went too far yet he was one of the chief architects of the policy and is using Brexit to try to climb Labour out of the grave.

    The point is Brexit may or may not happen, but its essentially a British issue. We've our own troubles that start and end in Government buildings, IBEC and boardrooms up and down the land. The beef farmers have the right idea strike, blockade, protest.
     
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  15. fakeplasticgirl

    fakeplasticgirl hysterically useless



    Labour gone up in the polls since becoming more “remainey”
     
  16. killer b

    killer b Minimum Waste / Maximum Joy

    The polls are all over the place, and theres too many things going on to attribute any change in them to any particular event.
     
  17. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Ministers reverse May-era foreign student rules

    Pushing for the youth and/or wealthy migrant vote?

    International student fees are insane, so it's generally the most well-off that come over here anyway, I think, which would arguably be the Tories' demographic.

    Or just sticking it to May?

    Interesting to see how this plays with the anti-migrant Brexit crowd; Tories presumably banking on gaining more than they lose, and again, may be able to convince some of them that these are the 'right kind' of migrants (plus the fact that many are from outside the EU so won't be affected Brexit anyway).
     
  18. Poi E

    Poi E Well-Known Member

    Wife works for a post grad institution and they are having a tough time attracting the numbers of international students they did. Questions about bigotry and the safety of prospective students, which never used to be asked.

    Australia beats UK for overseas students
     
  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    the over-65s?
     
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  20. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut ... the Great.

    BREAKING NEWS - Scottish Court, on appeal, has ruled Johnson's suspension of parliament is illegal.
     
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  21. Proper Tidy

    Proper Tidy Arsed

    Supreme Court then now is it. Although no idea what difference it might make given its already happened
     
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  22. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

    By the time everything crawls through the legal system Parliament will be back.
     
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  23. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    Foreign students don't get to vote so I'm not sure how that would work. It was always a stupid rule from any angle. May did it out of petty racism and desparation due to her completed inability to get anywhere near the stupid and arbritary immigration target she'd set herself.
     
  24. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    I suppose the key reason for doing it is so that they can say Johnson broke the law during the election campaign. More genius strategy.
     
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  25. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    Fucks sake, I hope they don't bring them back in, Bercow's smugness would be worse than anthrax.
     
  26. SpackleFrog

    SpackleFrog Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts

    They won't apparently.
     
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  27. fakeplasticgirl

    fakeplasticgirl hysterically useless

    With everything that’s going on with BoZo I’d almost forgotten how loathsome May is. Thanks for reminding me.
     
  28. TheHoodedClaw

    TheHoodedClaw acknowledging ur soup leg

    If I'm reading the interim judgement right, on a purely legal basis it didn't actually happen "null, and of no effect". :thumbs:
     
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  29. fakeplasticgirl

    fakeplasticgirl hysterically useless

    Will they get the grieve disclosure in time for the Supreme Court hearing? Anybody know what’s happening with that?
     
  30. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    Loathsome is apparently refusing to publish all of the Yellowhammer documents. Back to the court on that one? FFS, the heat death of the universe can't come a day too soon.
     

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