Is an Anarchist Society Possible?

[Shevek]

lol thread

Even *I* am more anarchist than Shvk lol

why are you more anarchist than me? Because you can spray paint some 12 year old child's graffiti?

 

[5t3IIa]

Spray paint over some 12 year old child's graffitti, get it right

 

[The39thStep]

Short answer to the o/p- even if it is it isn't happening.

 

[Shevek]

Short answer to the o/p- even if it is it isn't happening.

but why? analyse that!

 

[The39thStep]

What would make it happen?

 

[5t3IIa]

but why? analyse that!

YOU analyse it! Is such a society possible or is this a cider soaked dream?

 

[CyberRose]

but why? analyse that!

Because it's a lifestyle, a personal thing, like being a goth

 

[thegonzokid]

No gods. No masters.

Yes please.

 

[Spion]

No there will never be an anarchist society because since the dawn of time humans have fucked over other humans. Always have, always will.

Depressed and projecting are we?

 

[Citizen66]

I'm enjoying all the self appointed board police telling people what they can and can't post and what they ought to be doing instead of asking silly questions.

Anarchism works on the collective sharing of information, shevek, as it does the sharing of labour and the rewards that brings.

So when people tell you to fuck off and do your own research you know we're all heading in the right direction.

 

[asbestos]

the idea *lol* that anything already *discussed * thought about* *contemplated* by supposed *anarchists* or whatever, would have any bearing on any *thought*, *ideas*, *action* by those unaware of anything so far *thought about*, *discussed*, *or mentioned* is - bollocks.

thankfully.

 

[asbestos]

don't listen to that crap ^

 

[behemoth]

It's interesting.

Cycling to work the other day I got to thinking, it's just like Spain 70 years ago.

 

[Shevek]

It's interesting.

Cycling to work the other day I got to thinking, it's just like Spain 70 years ago.

really? I thought anarchists could come up with lots of creative ideas!

 

[Zabo]

Shevek. I'd like to read what you mean by 'society'. Are you talking about the current 60 million inhabitants?

Be Good

 

[Shevek]

Shevek. I'd like to read what you mean by 'society'. Are you talking about the current 60 million inhabitants?

Be Good

Bit confused about the indictment to 'be good' but yes I am talking about the population of the United Kingdom.

 

[Zabo]

Sadly Shevek you will never realise your aspiration. Small community groups but little else. It's of no surprise that there are millions of morons in this country who are happy to let the state and the politicians do their bidding. Indeed many collude. Responsibility for oneself and one's actions is much more difficult than it is to blame all and sundry for one's ills.

Be Good

 

[Shevek]

Sadly Shevek you will never realise your aspiration. Small community groups but little else. It's of no surprise that there are millions of morons in this country who are happy to let the state and the politicians do their bidding. Indeed many collude. Responsibility for oneself and one's actions is much more difficult than it is to blame all and sundry for one's ills.

Be Good

but why are you so confident that anarchism can never unfold? Surely we will evolve to that situation.

Be Bad

 

[Zabo]

I'm not sure it's about evolving - more a mind set and a way of living. Alas, there are way too many people (planks) who have no understanding and whom associate anarchy with bottle throwing and disruption. As I indicated, anarchy is about personal responsibility and people shy away from that. Can you imagine telling people that you want to do away with the state? What do you think they would say? And don't even mention getting rid of the royal band of fukwits. The support they garner is mind blowing. That, for me, would be the first objective - out with the Royals.

Be Good

 

[CyberRose]

Depressed and projecting are we?

No just giving you the concise history of man and woman kind

 

[Shevek]

updated the OP

 

[Carousel]

It lists a load of problems with capitalist society such as exploitation, poverty, injustice, the arms trade, global elites, racism, classism etc

Contemporary working class people understand that exploitation and injustice are essentially contestable concepts, philosophically speaking. They are also sophisticated beyond the bourgeois analysis of society as a set of problems on some shopping list of sundry 'isms. This leaves only poverty as a potential candidate problem. Perhaps it's the "Poverty of student life".

http://library.nothingness.org/articles/SI/en/display/4

 

[TremulousTetra]

Isn't the argument that under capitalism no one has full control of these things, except for capitalists who are doing it at the expense and exploitation of others?

even the capitalists dont have control. Even they are alienated.

 

[Spion]

No just giving you the concise history of man and woman kind

It looks to me like a sweeping and one sided statement that fails to take into account the cooperation, often selfless, that - alongside occasional conflict - characterises human society from the beginning. It also fails to locate when and between what parts of society(ies) conflict arises.

For that reason I say you're projecting, if not personally, then at least historically from a viewpoint at which society has become global, class ridden, deeply unequal and consequently very conflicted. Saying society has always been riven by conflict from the standpoint of post-Thatcher/Blair Britain is like saying it's always dark when you're standing at the bottom of a well.

When was the last time you fucked someone over then?

 

[tar1984]

even the capitalists dont have control. Even they are alienated.

If they don't have control then who does?

Those who control the means of production...

Or are you taking the piss?

 

[CyberRose]

It looks to me like a sweeping and one sided statement that fails to take into account the cooperation, often selfless, that - alongside occasional conflict - characterises human society from the beginning. It also fails to locate when and between what parts of society(ies) conflict arises.

For that reason I say you're projecting, if not personally, then at least historically from a viewpoint at which society has become global, class ridden, deeply unequal and consequently very conflicted. Saying society has always been riven by conflict from the standpoint of post-Thatcher/Blair Britain is like saying it's always dark when you're standing at the bottom of a well.

When was the last time you fucked someone over then?

I didn't say all humans fuck over other humans, I said since the dawn of time humans have fucked over other humans.

There are the fucked and the fuckers, that fact of life will never change...

 

[TremulousTetra]

If they don't have control then who does?

Those who control the means of production...

Or are you taking the piss?

Marx theory of alienation.

Marx capital, the bourgeoisie fetishize commodities, = Thatcher you can't buck the market. The bourgeoisie glorify the fact, they have no control, they worship the unseen hand of the market.

Capitalism is The Economics of the Madhouse, nobody is in control, that's the problem. Would any logical person do what 'we're' doing to the environment if anybody was in control?

Those who own the means of production, control society, but only when we have a classless society, will people control their destiny.

 

[butchersapron]

That'll be 50p please.

 

[DotCommunist]

£2 Solidarity Price

 

[smokedout]

If they don't have control then who does?

capital is in control, not capitalists or capitalism