Is absolute certainty possible?

[Johnny Canuck3]

To play along - yes, some truths are necessary truths. In that they are by definition true. If we define a triangle as a 2D shape with 3 angles, then it's absolutely true to say that a 2D shape with 3 angles is always a triangle.

Thats a definition, not a truth. If we say 'ABC' = 'triangle', then ABC is synonymous with triangle.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

right

so there is no possible way for a triangle to not-have 3 sides?

Not so long as 'triangle' continues to be defined as 'thing with three sides'.

But you're straying off the idea.

 

[Dillinger4]

Thats a definition, not a truth. If we say 'ABC' = 'triangle', then ABC is synonymous with triangle.

It is an analytic proposition.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The games of logic are just that, little games.

salaam.

You're probably right, meaning that the true essence of everything and anything, remains unknowable to humans.

 

[Dillinger4]

You're probably right, meaning that the true essence of everything and anything, remains unknowable to humans.

I don't think that is even slightly true, as we are beings-in-the-world.

I would explain, but I am going out.

bye!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It is an analytic proposition.

It's a definition.

'triangle' is 'a thing with three sides'.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I don't think that is even slightly true, as we are beings-in-the-world.

I would explain, but I am going out.

bye!

Logic is the foundation upon which our tools of learning, understanding are based. If logic is just a game, as everyone jumped to agree with, then all of our attempts at understanding are just a game as well.

 

[cesare]

His ego will live on.

Only if he makes a mark. Oh, wait

 

[cesare]

Logic is the foundation upon which our tools of learning, understanding are based. If logic is just a game, as everyone jumped to agree with, then all of our attempts at understanding are just a game as well.

Literal minds love logic and resort to logic.

 

[max_freakout]

'Someday, max freakout will die'.


Absolute certainty.

do you mean someday in the future?

 

[Dillinger4]

Logic is the foundation upon which our tools of learning, understanding are based. If logic is just a game, as everyone jumped to agree with, then all of our attempts at understanding are just a game as well.

I am not talking about logic.

Infact, fuck logic.

 

[Dillinger4]

do you mean someday in the future?

If you wanted to come back against that, you could talk about quantum immortality.

Theoretically speaking, of course.

 

[i-am-your-idea]

we dont know that we die when we die.

 

[Dillinger4]

we dont know that we die when we die.

really?

*pats head*

would you like a biscuit?

 

[Cheesypoof]

I am absolutely certain that peter andre and jordan live on button moon

 

[El Jefe]

It's a definition.

'triangle' is 'a thing with three sides'.

And as such is a perfectly reasonable example of absolute certainty, which is the question posed by the OP. It may not be a particularly glamorous example, but example it is.

 

[max_freakout]

from this thread, we can conclude that even analytic certainty isn't agreed on unproblematically by everybody...


would something have to be agreed by everyone in order to be really certain?

 

[Dillinger4]

from this thread, we can conclude that even analytic certainty isn't agreed on unproblematically by everybody...


would something have to be agreed by everyone in order to be really certain?

Boring, max.

Have you not got any other shite tricks up your sleeve? Because these became tired a long time ago.

 

[max_freakout]

I am absolutely certain that peter andre and jordan live on button moon

are you certain andre and jordan arent just your dream characters though?

 

[cesare]

from this thread, we can conclude that even analytic certainty isn't agreed on unproblematically by everybody...


would something have to be agreed by everyone in order to be really certain?

In some respects, it would be far more entertaining to agree with everything you say until you go away victorious, and then carry on a conversation without you.

 

[max_freakout]

In some respects, it would be far more entertaining to agree with everything you say until you go away victorious, and then carry on a conversation without you.

in which respects?

the power of your ego will forever prevent you from doing that anyway

knowledge is impossible

so the conversation carries on......

 

[Cheesypoof]

are you certain andre and jordan arent just your dream characters though?

yes.

 

[Dillinger4]

I personally don't think knowledge is impossible.

It has just become a meaningless catchphrase like "say what you see" or "thats the weather.. for now"

 

[max_freakout]

yes.

how?

 

[max_freakout]

I personally don't think knowledge is impossible.

you think knowledge is possible

but you can think, whatever you like

 

[cesare]

in which respects?

the power of your ego will forever prevent you from doing that anyway

knowledge is impossible

so the conversation carries on......

I'm quite happy to agree with you about everything.

 

[Dillinger4]

you think knowledge is possible

but you can think, whatever you like

That is just another catchphrase for you.

Pathetic.

 

[max_freakout]

I'm quite happy to agree with you about everything.

in a sense, it's impossible to disagree

because im really not saying anything

 

[Dillinger4]

Utterly pathetic.

 

[cesare]

in a sense, it's impossible to disagree

because im really not saying anything

I agree