Is a Welshman a different 'race' to an Englishman?

[fucthest8]

I thought Holis' post was a deliberate wind-up, was my point. And my post was a deliberate wind up also. Oh look. It worked.

Hence my post about tribalism. I just don't get it. Sorry.

And no ern, I wouldn't like to bring back the raj. Suprisingly.

 

[ernestolynch]

Actually, I think its what they call "humour", you exceptionally touchy weirdo

Ah yes. This from some vegan dude who gets apopleptic about Bernard Manning jokes.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

traditionally the welsh were caucasians as were the english so no however these days there are just as many other race demograhpics in wales as there are anywhere else so it'd depend on whether it was a racist coment of acutual discrimintory behaviour based on ethicity grounds, whether it was in jest of two equal peers, or whether it was the third urban only catigory of ernesto being a prize twat ....

as for people taking the piss outta the way you talk stobart well that's cos you are essex common innit

Perhaps we should all just develop a sense of humour eh?

well said...

yes, of course a Welshman is a different race,

no you are not unless there is the human race and the welsh which i'm sure on here would agree with... there are no races only humans, period... the defination of race is based on the victorian idea that there are different genetic make ups of humans to be defined into catigories and sub catigories as such this is a false premise based on the idea that humans could be sperated into different speicies which we cannot biologically we are all the same either male or female and in some cases both (either by choice or design...) that's as far as you can split it...

racism to me is the beleif that we can in some way sub divide past this point to try and impose a system of heirarchy or priorty based on something as gentically irrelevent as skintone based on nothing more than out dated empirical versioning systems developed to maintain class and social order by oppression...

 

[fucthest8]

Oh and ern, as before - please define English for me so I can't work out if I are one.

 

[ernestolynch]

Bit rich if you ask me. It's not as though the Welsh are some isolated 'race' set off in a distant land. There are bloody loads of us emigrated taffs living all round the UK. and beyond - nearly everyone will have direct experience of Welsh friends and/or acquaintances.

You want tribal - try North vs South London. I reckon you're being a bit oversensitive here bubba - if you genuinely feel 'inferior' because of a few light hearted jibes then I'd be very worried...

So how many 'lighthearted' nigger jokes can I make before I resort to saying 'ooh you're all so touchy'?

 

[ddraig]

Actually, I think its what they call "humour", you exceptionally touchy weirdo

yeah at the expense of someone not english
i am not an exceptionally touchy weirdo, just pissed off with this shit on a daily basis.

I reckon you're being a bit oversensitive here bubba - if you genuinely feel 'inferior' because of a few light hearted jibes then I'd be very worried...

i don't feel inferior, just annoyed like

 

[Belushi]

I thought Holis' post was a deliberate wind-up, was my point. And my post was a deliberate wind up also. Oh look. It worked.

Hence my post about tribalism. I just don't get it. Sorry.

And no ern, I wouldn't like to bring back the raj. Suprisingly.

Would you be as dismissive if the twat decided to wind up 'Pakis' or 'Micks' or 'Kikes'?

 

[ernestolynch]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

 

[ernestolynch]

Would you be as dismissive if the twat decided to wind up 'Pakis' or 'Micks' or 'Kikes'?

Of course he wouldn't he's a liberal English racist.

 

[ddraig]

ok garf, ethnicity/origin not race then

 

[Hollis]

Of course he wouldn't he's a liberal English racist.

Poor ernie... I feel your oppression.

 

[Uralian]

My theory about tribalism is that the enlightenment failed, and now people are looking to create new identities to take them out of the existential morass. The enlightenment was, among other things, universality, hope, progress, the idea of a 'true' self hiding under communal attachments and identities. Now that the enlightenment is over and life in the mental metropole is generally agreed to be shit, people are rejecting it and looking back to what they percieve to be their 'true roots'.

 

[Stobart Stopper]

How come the Editor doesn't complain when I call him 'Boyo' as I have done in pms before now?

 

[fucthest8]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

And your point is? That I need to know my genetic makeup?

 

[ernestolynch]

My theory about tribalism is that the enlightenment failed, and now people are looking to create new identities to take them out of the existential morass. The enlightenment was, among other things, universality, hope, progress, the idea of a 'true' self hiding under communal attachments and identities. Now that the enlightenment is over and life in the mental metropole is generally agreed to be shit, people are rejecting it and looking back to what they percieve to be their 'true roots'.

Take your fucking head out of your textbook for a minute, poindexter.

 

[Yossarian]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

So is the Welsh nation a closed shop then, only allowing in people with Welsh genes from a thousand years ago? Are people born and raised in Wales but lacking the Welsh gene not Welsh? Is there no such thing as a black Welshman?

 

[goldenecitrone]

or whether it was the third urban only category of ernesto being a prize twat ...

I plead the third.

 

[ernestolynch]

Here's the racist cunt who started all this. What username do you use on Stormfront, 'goldeneshitrone'?

 

[In Bloom]

Ah yes. This from some vegan dude who gets apopleptic about Bernard Manning jokes.

Besides anything else, the joke wasn't even directed at the Welsh, it was a mock simplification of history, which ddraig got all pisy about because it used the phrase "we took over". And I won't tell you again, I'm not a fucking vegan

 

[mwgdrwg]

How come the Editor doesn't complain when I call him 'Boyo' as I have done in pms before now?

Because there is a difference between saying "Alright Boyo?" with a friendly smile, and saying "Fuck off Boyo".

As I tried to explain in an earlier post, it's not the words themselves that are offensive but the way they can be used as an insult.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Where's the Friday afternoon jokes thread?

Maybe this is it....

 

[Hollis]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

You see - if Adolf Hitler had been alive today.. he'd probably be posting up links about gene-pools.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Here's the racist cunt who started all this. What username do you use on Stormfront, 'goldeneshitrone'?

Nah, I prefer OldarseholeErnie.

 

[fucthest8]

ANyway, ignoring all the above, ern, any chance of an actual answer to my question? Or Yoss's?

 

[tommers]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

fair enough. but who were here before the celts? and which "race" of apemen lived here originally? and which fish did they come from? and what type of ameoba were they developed from?

this is all utter, utter bollocks.

IMO of course.

 

[editor]

How come the Editor doesn't complain when I call him 'Boyo' as I have done in pms before now?

It's all down to the person saying it and their intent, innit?

So if a drinking chum says, "get your round in you Taffy/Welsh cunt/boyo", that's not offensive in the slightest. But if some random oaf aggressively tells me to "fuck off boyo", I won't be best pleased.

 

[jd]

As far as I'm concerned, no. My parents are both welsh born welsh speakers. I was born in London.

Am I welsh? Not really - a bit maybe.

Are they? Surely yes.

Are we different races? Are we bollocks.

 

[mwgdrwg]

It's all down to the person saying it and their intent, innit?

So if a drinking chum says, "get your round in you Taffy/Welsh cunt/boyo", that's not offensive in the slightest. But if some random oaf aggressively tells me to "fuck off boyo", I won't be best pleased.

Look up ^^^

 

[editor]

Look up ^^^

No, I read your post, but I wanted to get my point across seeing as SS specifically referred to me.

 

[Stobart Stopper]

It's all down to the person saying it and their intent, innit?

So if a drinking chum says, "get your round in you Taffy/Welsh cunt/boyo", that's not offensive in the slightest. But if some random oaf aggressively tells me to "fuck off boyo", I won't be best pleased.

But do you regard yourself to be a different race from the English, in the genetic sense?