subversplat said:You mum can call herself whatever she wants! I just can't think of anywhere that sounds less "Rebel Irishman" than Tunbridge Wells, Kent, and so it makes me laugh whenever I think about it.
Although he did spend a fair whack of his childhood in Tipperary, Shane is English I'd say.sojourner said:I know it backwards![]()


But that's just one song innit? And I'd say it was more riotous folk than irish punk. Come on, 9 people on stage, and at least 3 of them playing their instruments in a fuckin brilliant way and not just bashing the shite out of them? Is that punk? Spider was the punkest pogueIam said:
But... it is "Irish Punk", for want of any better description.
If a British guitarist plays the blues in a delta style, is it delta blues, or just blues?
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As for delta blues, well, call me a purist, but I've heard no british musician play it with 'feeling'Iam said:
But... it is "Irish Punk", for want of any better description.
If a British guitarist plays the blues in a delta style, is it delta blues, or just blues?
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If you have any recommendations feel free, but i feel it's of it's time and place and can't be replicated with any sense of genuineness (is that a word? it is now!)sojourner said:But that's just one song innit? And I'd say it was more riotous folk than irish punk. Come on, 9 people on stage, and at least 3 of them playing their instruments in a fuckin brilliant way and not just bashing the shite out of them? Is that punk? Spider was the punkest pogue![]()
But then, I've always hated genre limitations![]()
sojourner said:As for delta blues, well, call me a purist, but I've heard no british musician play it with 'feeling'If you have any recommendations feel free, but i feel it's of it's time and place and can't be replicated with any sense of genuineness (is that a word? it is now!)

Well, I think with stuff like delta blues, there is a definite sound/geography to it...the tone of the voice, the tuning of the guitar strings, the starkness of the tune and song, the lack of any whimsicality. The basic sound quality of the recordings, although obv limited by the resources available, is a huge part of the experience for me as well. People seem unable to produce music these days without having a bajillion twiddly knobs doing different things, and I think this is what is one of the things that makes me love Jack White so much, is his refusal to adopt the accepted methods of recording music. Well, until the Raconteurs of courseIam said:But I was thinking about it in terms of that being a quite specific style of playing, which is (maybe?) what you'd usually associate with that particular genre... I suppose I'm saying there are stylistic similarities between different types of music that make them mean different things to different people. Or some such tosh.![]()

stavros said:Am I allowed to say the Undertones or are Ulstermen ruled out? If the latter were Stiff Little Fingers Irish? If not I might try and be very (I mean very) flexible with the definition of punk and say My Bloody Valentine.
Savage Henry said:The Dropkick Murpheys are Irish aren't they![]()

Shitty cliche ridden lyrics courtesy of an English journalist.Chorlton said:As for favourite irish punk band? Stiff Little Fingers of course.
fishfingerer said:Shitty cliche ridden lyrics
bad gashfishfingerer said:Sultans Of Ping for sheer comedy.
sojourner said:Shane is English I'd say.
I'm really not going to comment on whether he would disagree or not! Smacks of obsequious fandom!Chorlton said:i think he would probably disagree. Irish people had no problem with his nationality, it baffles me that english people do
Although I'd have to say it was a damn sight more punk than the Pogues ever wereHe has said many times that he's Irish. The Pogues used to get a lot of abuse and snobbery from trad music purists, they're not Irish, it's not proper Irish music, blah blah blah.sojourner said:I'm really not going to comment on whether he would disagree or not! Smacks of obsequious fandom!
fishfingerer said:He has said many times that he's Irish. The Pogues used to get a lot of abuse and snobbery from trad music purists, they're not Irish, it's not proper Irish music, blah blah blah.
Have you a dutch passport? Dutch family?sojourner said:Well I fancy being Dutch so I reckon I'll just keep telling people that for a few years then and see how I get on.
You're not telling me owt new here re the reaction they got. What point are you trying to make?
Nah, I just fancy it, cos according to this thread if I tell enough people enough times it will make it sofishfingerer said:Have you a dutch passport? Dutch family?
sojourner said:Well I fancy being Dutch so I reckon I'll just keep telling people that for a few years then and see how I get on.
The story began in Co. Tipperary on Christmas Day thirty-nine years ago when Shane McGowan entered the world. The McGowan family moved to England when their son was six. At school his talent for English was remarkable, winning him a scholarship at the Catholic Westminster Public School.
Sorry but I couldn't take anything written in that book seriously. It actually belongs in the 'Music Books you think are Shite' thread. It's a vomit-fest of the ickle wickle victorwia oh so in wuv with my Shaney (spew). The band broke up because Shane was a fucking car crash of a drunk, and the Pogues without him were lost.Daibhí said:I could be wrong here, but in Victoria Clarke's book 'A drink with Shane McGowan' doesn't he talk about how he spent the first six years of his life growing up on his uncles farm in Tipperary, and he says one of the reasons The Pogues broke up was that the band were moving away from Irish music towards a more contemporary sound. Surely growing up on a farm in Tipp with an Irish family makes you irish.
I know McGowans quite liberal with the truth, so I'm not going to state the above as fact, though he does live in north Tipperary now.
RE Irish Punk, Paranoid Visions (but they were/are shit)
Did you not get bored of typing the word dutch there? I know I got bored just reading it so it must have been sheer hell for you. ((((chorlton))))Chorlton said:if you were born in london to dutch parents, brough back to holland as a child, hoiday'd regularly in holland, now lived in holland, sang dutch songs in a band with a dutch name and the dutch people considered you to be a dutchman, you might have a fair shout
sojourner said:The band broke up because Shane was a fucking car crash of a drunk
Why? He was already fucked with the booze, getting more fucked with smack wouldn't really have made much difference to his ability to function.Chorlton said:i think his problems on smack were an area for greater concern
Daibhí said:he says one of the reasons The Pogues broke up was that the band were moving away from Irish music towards a more contemporary sound.