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subversplat said:
You mum can call herself whatever she wants! I just can't think of anywhere that sounds less "Rebel Irishman" than Tunbridge Wells, Kent, and so it makes me laugh whenever I think about it.

Fair do's, I did have a moment before puttin it down where I thought 'I'm sure he was born in England' but went ahead anyway, reckless rebel that I am ;) Although he did spend a fair whack of his childhood in Tipperary, Shane is English I'd say.
 
sojourner said:
I know it backwards ;)

:cool:

But... it is "Irish Punk", for want of any better description.

If a British guitarist plays the blues in a delta style, is it delta blues, or just blues?

:confused:
 
Iam said:
:cool:

But... it is "Irish Punk", for want of any better description.

If a British guitarist plays the blues in a delta style, is it delta blues, or just blues?

:confused:
But that's just one song innit? And I'd say it was more riotous folk than irish punk. Come on, 9 people on stage, and at least 3 of them playing their instruments in a fuckin brilliant way and not just bashing the shite out of them? Is that punk? Spider was the punkest pogue :D

But then, I've always hated genre limitations :)
 
Iam said:
:cool:

But... it is "Irish Punk", for want of any better description.

If a British guitarist plays the blues in a delta style, is it delta blues, or just blues?

:confused:
As for delta blues, well, call me a purist, but I've heard no british musician play it with 'feeling' ;) If you have any recommendations feel free, but i feel it's of it's time and place and can't be replicated with any sense of genuineness (is that a word? it is now!)
 
sojourner said:
But that's just one song innit? And I'd say it was more riotous folk than irish punk. Come on, 9 people on stage, and at least 3 of them playing their instruments in a fuckin brilliant way and not just bashing the shite out of them? Is that punk? Spider was the punkest pogue :D

But then, I've always hated genre limitations :)

Yeah, all true enough, too. And I'm also not a massive fan of genre-binding, either.

sojourner said:
As for delta blues, well, call me a purist, but I've heard no british musician play it with 'feeling' ;) If you have any recommendations feel free, but i feel it's of it's time and place and can't be replicated with any sense of genuineness (is that a word? it is now!)

No recommendations, I'm afraid it's not a style I'm particularly well versed in, just thinking out loud really... But I was thinking about it in terms of that being a quite specific style of playing, which is (maybe?) what you'd usually associate with that particular genre... I suppose I'm saying there are stylistic similarities between different types of music that make them mean different things to different people. Or some such tosh. :D
 
Iam said:
But I was thinking about it in terms of that being a quite specific style of playing, which is (maybe?) what you'd usually associate with that particular genre... I suppose I'm saying there are stylistic similarities between different types of music that make them mean different things to different people. Or some such tosh. :D
Well, I think with stuff like delta blues, there is a definite sound/geography to it...the tone of the voice, the tuning of the guitar strings, the starkness of the tune and song, the lack of any whimsicality. The basic sound quality of the recordings, although obv limited by the resources available, is a huge part of the experience for me as well. People seem unable to produce music these days without having a bajillion twiddly knobs doing different things, and I think this is what is one of the things that makes me love Jack White so much, is his refusal to adopt the accepted methods of recording music. Well, until the Raconteurs of course
 
Am I allowed to say the Undertones or are Ulstermen ruled out? If the latter were Stiff Little Fingers Irish? If not I might try and be very (I mean very) flexible with the definition of punk and say My Bloody Valentine.
 
stavros said:
Am I allowed to say the Undertones or are Ulstermen ruled out? If the latter were Stiff Little Fingers Irish? If not I might try and be very (I mean very) flexible with the definition of punk and say My Bloody Valentine.

If your saying My Bloody Valentine then Therapy? should be included above them !
 
Chorlton said:
As for favourite irish punk band? Stiff Little Fingers of course.
Shitty cliche ridden lyrics courtesy of an English journalist.

The Radiators From Space
Sultans Of Ping for sheer comedy.
 
Chorlton said:
i think he would probably disagree. Irish people had no problem with his nationality, it baffles me that english people do
I'm really not going to comment on whether he would disagree or not! Smacks of obsequious fandom!

As an aside, have you ever heard the Nipple Erectors/Nips? There's a distinct lack of Irish twang in his singing on that stuff ;) Although I'd have to say it was a damn sight more punk than the Pogues ever were
 
sojourner said:
I'm really not going to comment on whether he would disagree or not! Smacks of obsequious fandom!
He has said many times that he's Irish. The Pogues used to get a lot of abuse and snobbery from trad music purists, they're not Irish, it's not proper Irish music, blah blah blah.
 
fishfingerer said:
He has said many times that he's Irish. The Pogues used to get a lot of abuse and snobbery from trad music purists, they're not Irish, it's not proper Irish music, blah blah blah.

Well I fancy being Dutch so I reckon I'll just keep telling people that for a few years then and see how I get on.

You're not telling me owt new here re the reaction they got. What point are you trying to make?
 
sojourner said:
Well I fancy being Dutch so I reckon I'll just keep telling people that for a few years then and see how I get on.

You're not telling me owt new here re the reaction they got. What point are you trying to make?
Have you a dutch passport? Dutch family?
 
I could be wrong here, but in Victoria Clarke's book 'A drink with Shane McGowan' doesn't he talk about how he spent the first six years of his life growing up on his uncles farm in Tipperary, and he says one of the reasons The Pogues broke up was that the band were moving away from Irish music towards a more contemporary sound. Surely growing up on a farm in Tipp with an Irish family makes you irish.

I know McGowans quite liberal with the truth, so I'm not going to state the above as fact, though he does live in north Tipperary now.

RE Irish Punk, Paranoid Visions (but they were/are shit)
 
sojourner said:
Well I fancy being Dutch so I reckon I'll just keep telling people that for a few years then and see how I get on.

if you were born in london to dutch parents, brough back to holland as a child, hoiday'd regularly in holland, now lived in holland, sang dutch songs in a band with a dutch name and the dutch people considered you to be a dutchman, you might have a fair shout
 
The story began in Co. Tipperary on Christmas Day thirty-nine years ago when Shane McGowan entered the world. The McGowan family moved to England when their son was six. At school his talent for English was remarkable, winning him a scholarship at the Catholic Westminster Public School.

Link
 
Daibhí said:
I could be wrong here, but in Victoria Clarke's book 'A drink with Shane McGowan' doesn't he talk about how he spent the first six years of his life growing up on his uncles farm in Tipperary, and he says one of the reasons The Pogues broke up was that the band were moving away from Irish music towards a more contemporary sound. Surely growing up on a farm in Tipp with an Irish family makes you irish.

I know McGowans quite liberal with the truth, so I'm not going to state the above as fact, though he does live in north Tipperary now.

RE Irish Punk, Paranoid Visions (but they were/are shit)
Sorry but I couldn't take anything written in that book seriously. It actually belongs in the 'Music Books you think are Shite' thread. It's a vomit-fest of the ickle wickle victorwia oh so in wuv with my Shaney (spew). The band broke up because Shane was a fucking car crash of a drunk, and the Pogues without him were lost.
 
Chorlton said:
if you were born in london to dutch parents, brough back to holland as a child, hoiday'd regularly in holland, now lived in holland, sang dutch songs in a band with a dutch name and the dutch people considered you to be a dutchman, you might have a fair shout
Did you not get bored of typing the word dutch there? I know I got bored just reading it so it must have been sheer hell for you. ((((chorlton))))
 
Chorlton said:
i think his problems on smack were an area for greater concern
Why? He was already fucked with the booze, getting more fucked with smack wouldn't really have made much difference to his ability to function.
 
Daibhí said:
he says one of the reasons The Pogues broke up was that the band were moving away from Irish music towards a more contemporary sound.

several of the band were quite horrified by shanes embrace of acid house - it was defiantely a direction that he wanted to bring the band... which was wierd as he didn't do that with the popes
 
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