Irish and the British far right.

[cemertyone]

Crap tbh.
But I'm going to Ballymena on the 27th. Wedding, thank fuck.
I'll have a wee wander up the glens.

Maybe you can link up with Revol69..as he`s from Larne...if you meet Willie Mc cray out singing gospel songs in the town centre...give him a slap from me..

 

[Dilzybhoy]

Maybe you can link up with Revol69..as he`s from Larne...if you meet Willie Mc cray out singing gospel songs in the town centre...give him a slap from me..

I was gonna ask revol if he'd like to meet up with me.
Maybe a nice quite pub on the Shankill.
I'll be the one with the Daily Ireland under me arm.

 

[oi2002]

Well the Irish are a more right wing bunch than the Godless English and the Irish community in England is an easy recruitment ground for racists but apart from that I've never found the ideas of far-Right links across the Irish channel very plausible.

You could argue that it's the Left of the bigger island that's had more influence in the smaller one.

That famous shilling taker James Connolly after all was Scottish born and a member of the Scottish Socialist Federation before he formed the IRSP.

Looking at the immigrant experience as a radicalising factor might be more interesting. I remember reading the Michael Collins' nationalism was partly formed by his experience of living in London.

 

[cemertyone]

Well the Irish are a more right wing bunch than the Godless English and the Irish community in England is an easy recruitment ground for racists but apart from that I've never found the ideas of far-Right links across the Irish channel very plausible.
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Well that might be so but there are people with predujices in every community. Having said that, what i have found is that most of the people who hold racist attitudes that are from Ireland seem to stem from the country side.That`s just an observation by the way on my part.

 

[cathal marcs]

That famous shilling taker James Connolly after all was Scottish born and a member of the Scottish Socialist Federation before he formed the IRSP.

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ISRP actually. Secondly Sean MacStiofain was formally in the Brit army, Liam Mellows was from a Brit Army background also so its not unusual. Although Oi you could also add the Irish and its diaspora with the far left in the UK and worldwide Feargus O Connor and Robespierre was from Irish stock.

 

[oi2002]

Well that might be so but there are people with predujices in every community. Having said that, what i have found is that most of the people who hold racist attitudes that are from Ireland seem to stem from the country side.That`s just an observation by the way on my part.

The croppies are just baffeled by anyone who does not resemble a poorly peeled potato. Hang arround the harder parts of Dublin or Belfast with an African and you'll find a fair helping of racists. I do think comfortable bigotry is an Irish marker but so is generosity to strangers and a sensible distrust of the militarism. God bothering societies have their pros as well as cons.

The racist thing is much worse in our urban emmigrant communities, at least that's my, rather shocked, experience in both America and England. I suspect it's our version of social solidarity: finding a suitable other to hate is just a continuing of the old sectarian habit.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

The racist thing is much worse in our urban emmigrant communities, at least that's my, rather shocked, experience in both America and England. I suspect it's our version of social solidarity: finding a suitable other to hate is just a continuing of the old sectarian habit.

There's an interesting book on the racial (and sometimes racist) politics of the Irish in America. I can't quite remember the name but it's something along the lines of "How the Irish became white".

 

[cathal marcs]

yeah thas a good book nige by Noel Ignatiev

 

[oi2002]

ISRP actually. Secondly Sean MacStiofain was formally in the Brit army, Liam Mellows was from a Brit Army background also so its not unusual. Although Oi you could also add the Irish and its diaspora with the far left in the UK and worldwide Feargus O Connor and Robespierre was from Irish stock.

Robespierre is a bit of a reach but yerman O'Connor is good example though a bit of a splitter.

The Irish diaspora has produced some great political figures e.g. Che had an Irish blood and less famously Patrice MacMahon President of the Third French Republic who suppressed the Paris commune.

 

[cathal marcs]

Che visited limereick once as far as I am aware. Che goes out on the town in Limerick

He also has Basque roots also

 

[Jayshat]

Che's roots were indeed Galway, and very proud of him they are too...
I think he did visit.

However, I think the arse that started this thread has managed to get the gist of the conversation round to his way of thinking, when in actual fact the link from the BNP to the UVA etc should be brought to the public attention much more...

 

[Dilzybhoy]

Che's roots were indeed Galway, and very proud of him they are too...
I think he did visit.

However, I think the arse that started this thread has managed to get the gist of the conversation round to his way of thinking, when in actual fact the link from the BNP to the UVA etc should be brought to the public attention much more...

The Loyalists as far as I know want nothing to do with them.
The only thing they seem to have in common is "No surrender to the IRA"
I once landed upon a far right Irish Nationalist site claiming Sean South as one of there own and telling the far right in Britain the Loyalists were paki lovers (soukri) and had a fondness for waving Israeli flags.
God knows what there point was and I have no intention of searching it out.
Butchers pointed out Sean South's anti Semitism and I googled for it and found it. South was a blueshirt i think??? Not sure but Butchers will enlighten us. I hope.

 

[cathal marcs]

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God knows what there point was and I have no intention of searching it out.
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Fascists have no logic.

 

[Nigel]

Interesting Developments Across The Water!!!!!!!!!

Sunday Life
IRSP drops support
By Stephen Breen
January 21, 2007

A renegade republican terror group last night withdrew its backing
for a number of ex-Provisionals who have vowed to contest Assembly
elections.

A senior republican source told Sunday Life that the INLA's political
wing, the IRSP, will not be endorsing candidates, including IRA
gunrunner Gerry McGeough, because of their ultra-Catholic values.

McGeough, who attempted to smuggle SAM-7 missiles into Northern
Ireland in the 1980s, is one of a number of candidates who have vowed
to oppose Sinn Fein because of its stance on policing.

But veteran north Antrim republican Laurence O'Neill, who has
challenged Gerry Adams to a live TV debate on policing, said the
IRSP's lack of support would not prevent angry republicans from
contesting elections.

The source claimed the IRSP have offered to support the brother of
former INLA leader Dominic McGlinchey and ex-Sinn Fein member Davy
Hyland.

It's not clear if the IRSP has decided to field candidates in any
future elections because of the left-wing party's opposition to
Stormont.

Said the source: "They have offered support to a number of
candidates, but this was only done because these people class
themselves as true Irish socialists and have no interest in religion.

"The IRSP had considered supporting all candidates standing against
Sinn Fein, but decided it was against their left-wing ideology to
support those with strong religious beliefs.

Mr O'Neill responded: "No disrespect to the IRSP, but I don't think
the people who have decided to stand against Sinn Fein because of the
policing issue will worry about their views."

(Poster's note: It is unclear who Stephen Breen spoke with, but the
views expressed don't sound like they came from a reliable
representative of the IRSP.)



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[N_igma]

Hang arround the harder parts of Dublin or Belfast with an African and you'll find a fair helping of racists.

Finding an African in these parts is even harder.

Belfast is notorious for it, the Indian youth cricket team came here to play a friendly match and got chased all round Belfast by a gang of youths, people in Belfast are suspicious enough from people of the other religion nevermind another race. You will find casual racism though anywhere here, just jump into a taxi and the driver will have no problem talking about immigrants coming over taking "our" jobs.

I happen to be a slight supporter of the IRSP, some good ideas there but the INLA is just a bunch of thugs these days.

 

[N_igma]

I was gonna ask revol if he'd like to meet up with me.
Maybe a nice quite pub on the Shankill.
I'll be the one with the Daily Ireland under me arm.

I'll go to your funeral if you do.

Ballymena is God's country by the way. Religous fanatics.

 

[danny la rouge]

Good Lord, where did this old thread come from?