astronaut said:
Do you really think this massacre was orchestrated by US or Israeli death squads?
Go back. Re-read. Israel trained the death squads not orchestrated.
Got that? Good. US orchestrated the death squads. Once trained, and accustomed to brutal killings, i guess they run and run on that program like a Kurtzian nightmare until someone manages to track them and kill them. very dangerous. and disguised as arabs too. that could possibly explain the strangers from out of town who have been attacking religious monuments, or slaughtering large groups of civlians and civilian forces. it could be the death squads murdering sunni groups and then murdering shia groups, because you see, these death squads aren't following normal rules of engagement and the fear which death squads bring to the civilian population is immense, because no-one knows why those people were murdered. no trial. no justice. just extra-judicial-execution.
I'm not denying that it happened, although the troops are innocent until proven guilty, but everything I've heard suggests that it was a kneejerk reaction to the death of a marine.
A 'kneejerk reaction' - isn't that how Fallujah I/II happened? do you think it's acceptable behaviour for an occupying force to use these tactics? the knowledge that US forces were trained up for Iraq by Israel simply explains why the whole occupation has been so bloody and drawn-out for Iraqis, and what the Brit Forces have been up against as part of a coalition with Uncle Sam(ael).
i mean, come on, knowing what the Americans were like, why wouldn't the UK troops go in, if only to verify what the US are using in their battle for the hearts and minds of Iraq. i can remember thinking that very clearly - if the UK don't go there, there's no-one to observe how they conduct themselves.
Obviously, these hearts of alot of Iraqis have stopped beating and if the US are admitting to 35k, then you can be sure it's a minimum of 3 times that much. But the 'collatoral damage' is not stopping the US in their bid to bring 'Democracy' and 'Freedom'.
British troops are not only calming a tense post-Saddham Iraq, they subject to fallout from US bad military practices, and whilst Iraq is so vulnerable our UK forces are also being endangered time and time again by American Military tactics and requests to help them in their disgusting human rights abuses as an Occupying power. Thanks Guys. What a Coalition that turned out to be
On several occasions, the UK Command has resisted US Foreign Policy, but also been forced into risking their own lives and the lives of Iraqis whom they were sent there to PROTECT whilst elections took place and a new Government was formed. The US Tactics in the field have made this impossible, both with the collective punishments and death squads, plus the massively high Iraqi civilian death (not collatoral damage). Again, very similar to how the situation degenrated in Palestine with the First and Second Uprisings (Intifadas).
BTW, listening to Women's Hour on Radio 4 this morning they were talking about friendship between men, when they raised the subject of the buddy system in the USMC, which gives an insight into how marines might react to the death of a buddy. I think they said this segment is available as a podcast.(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/01/2006_12_wed.shtml )
Now extrapolate that to how Iraqis feel at the death of a friend, a relative, a neighbour, a teacher, a dustbinman, a lawyer, a reporter, a policeman, a cafe-owner, a market stall holder. Done that? Good. See. You could do it for Israel and for Americans, and now you can do it for Iraqis and Arabs too. Now see, you need to be careful now that you don't condoning violence in the same way that some people wrongfully accuse those who support the legitimate right to Palestine armed resistance (though not against civilian targets, though of course, since suicide bombing or any deliberate targetting of civilians is a war crime).
Our military has enough evidence on the US Military to bring their entire command chain to the Hague, both military and politicians. I don't think US thought it through properly when they were twisting Blair's British balls, and can't imagine they thought the British would release an ex SAS agent to talk openly about the war crimes the UK have evidence that the US committed.
I don't think the US thought about the possiblity of the Brass in our current Military being able to speak out publicly and gather evidence against their tactics in the Middle East when the forced us to join the coalition. UK Military are foremost a DEFENCE force and keeping us all safe by defence and diplomacy is their main aim.
