Iraqi Police Report - US forces execute 11 civilians

[Barking_Mad]

From the quoted article:

"The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 people, including 5 children, 4 women and 2 men..."

This did not happen. Anyone on u75 who thinks that this even might have happened is insane. People who post such obvious lies, such as Backatcha Bandit, are evil. This post disgraces u75 which is not so easily done given the generally low level of intelligence and integrity displayed here. But this one definitely manages the task. For shame.

wtf was all that about?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hey moron, compare what you wrote with what Warren wrote:

"He cant say 100% it didnt happen unless he was there. However the likelyhood that this event happened is probably similar to me being the Mehdi."

So who's being the turd-for-brains here?

That'd be you.

You see, all you've done is post up a reply that "kind of" supports your viewpoint, it's someone's opinion, unsupported by fact, rather like the posting of yours I originally replied to.

Put up some real proof that "this did not happen", some evidence to support your contention that "Anyone on u75 who thinks that this even might have happened is insane".

Once you've done that you've got a right of reply, baby. Until you do that you'll get treated as what you are, a shithead talking shit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

wtf was all that about?

That's Rogue Yam talking shit.

He does that a lot, don'tcher know. He labours under the mistaken belief that if he's rude and nonsensical enough then he doesn't actually need to support his "arguments".

 

[TAE]

From the quoted article:

"The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 people, including 5 children, 4 women and 2 men..."

This did not happen. Anyone on u75 who thinks that this even might have happened is insane. People who post such obvious lies, such as Backatcha Bandit, are evil. This post disgraces u75 which is not so easily done given the generally low level of intelligence and integrity displayed here. But this one definitely manages the task. For shame.

Coming soon ... Rogue Yam stars in "Born on the 4th of YOU LIE !"

 

[T & P]

You're a fucking clown rogue yam.

 

[tangentlama]

i felt/knew there was some correlation betweet the Death-squad style assassinations in Iraq and the techniques used by Israel against Palestinian Arabs and Christians.
(go look at the last two posts in the Israeli Undercover Death Squad thread.)

I'll repeat one post for this thread, since it's entirely relevant.
Israel trained US assassination squads in Iraq

Israeli advisers are helping train US special forces in aggressive counter-insurgency operations in Iraq, including the use of assassination squads against guerrilla leaders, US intelligence and military sources said yesterday.
The Israeli Defence Force (IDF) has sent urban warfare specialists to Fort Bragg in North Carolina, the home of US special forces, and according to two sources, Israeli military "consultants" have also visited Iraq.

US forces in Iraq's Sunni triangle have already begun to use tactics that echo Israeli operations in the occupied territories, sealing off centres of resistance with razor wire and razing buildings from where attacks have been launched against US troops.

But the secret war in Iraq is about to get much tougher, in the hope of suppressing the Ba'athist-led insurgency ahead of next November's presidential elections.
<snip>
"This is basically an assassination programme. That is what is being conceptualised here. This is a hunter-killer team," said a former senior US intelligence official, who added that he feared the new tactics and enhanced cooperation with Israel would only inflame a volatile situation in the Middle East.
<snip>
"They are being trained by Israelis in Fort Bragg," a well-informed intelligence source in Washington said. "Some Israelis went to Iraq as well, not to do training, but for providing consultations." The consultants' visit to Iraq was confirmed by another US source who was in contact with American officials there.

The Pentagon did not return calls seeking comment, but a military planner, Brigadier General Michael Vane, mentioned the cooperation with Israel in a letter to Army magazine in July about the Iraq counter-insurgency campaign.

"We recently travelled to Israel to glean lessons learned from their counterterrorist operations in urban areas," wrote General Vane, deputy chief of staff at the army's training and doctrine command.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1102940,00.html

 

[spring-peeper]

More examples of American abuse and they are getting caught at it - again!!!

How the mighty are falling.

 

[X-77]

How much longer are they going to be allowed to get away with these horrific crimes? Can anyone imagine if a Muslim guy stormed into a house in the US and killed a family of 11 including children and a baby? We would literally never ever hear the end of it - and yet this has barely made the news. Those murdering fuckers need to get out now

 

[tangentlama]

(Anyone got that list of mysterious deaths-during-torture at Abu Ghraib handy?)

it's no wonder that situaiton for the US deteriorated so quickly since they seem to have taken lots of techniques from Israel's occupation of Palestine, and imported those to use against the Iraqis. Israeli contractors and veterans of Shin Bet were assigned to work with US Forces in interrogating Iraqi POWs.

"Who has better experience in dealing with the Arabs than Israel?" one source asked. It was explained that several of the "interrogation" techniques used by U.S. forces in Iraq have in fact been used by Israel "for years." The technique of stripping Arab prisoners naked, to embarrass and humiliate them, has been used by Israelis, according to Arab diplomats at the U.N.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/...24/131401.shtml

X77 - you ask how long 'they' can get away with it. the above info re. Israel's import of in-terror-gation and torture of Arabs doesn't fill me with any hope.

 

[boskysquelch]

E2A: Backatcha Bandit posting:

I was pondering the lack of coverage in the 'Western' media of this sort of attrocity as I drove home last night.

Just then, something came up on the BBC orld Service News:

US military investigators have flown to Iraq to study reports that marines shot dead at least 15 civilians, including seven women and three children.

The incident is said to have happened in Haditha on 19 November 2005.

The military's initial claim that the civilians died in a roadside blast was disproved by an earlier investigation...

..Residents in Haditha, in the western province of Anbar, say the marines went on the rampage after one of their number was killed in a roadside blast and another two were injured.

They say the soldiers began shooting dead the inhabitants of nearby homes and others from the area...

..Time reporter Bobby Ghosh told the BBC that a videotape, given to the magazine by an Iraqi human rights group, had shown the civilians "could not have been killed by a roadside bomb".

"Their bodies were riddled with bullets," he said. "There was evidence there had been gunfire inside their homes, there were blood spatters inside their homes."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4827424.stm

They were apparently shot in their nightclothes.

 

[cemertyone]

From the quoted article:
This did not happen. Anyone on u75 who thinks that this even might have happened is insane. Bandit, are evil. shame.

Jesus wept.... we are getting the yankeeised terms of "evil" et al and our guys simply would not do that kinda stuff.don`t you urban people realise " were the good guys here"....i nearly wet myself at this idiot`s brain washed nonsense.....

 

[Azrael23]

Because a lot of that 100k if it true. its probably closer to 30k was done by al-Qaeda and the general lawlessness the country is in.

Thats not to say the yanks arent trigger happy, but ususally they obey the rules of engagement.

By the way that execution last in the Mosque probably was within the rules of war.

Justifying your masters criminal actions. Were you not lied to the same as I?

The people who profit from this war have no interest in your wellbeing nor your very existence.
Please be more aware of the criminality of our rulers. You know the media lies you everyday so why do you continue to trust it?

 

[Azrael23]

More examples of American abuse and they are getting caught at it - again!!!

How the mighty are falling.

No, its..

How have the fallen become mighty?

 

[rogue yam]

Can anyone imagine if a Muslim guy stormed into a house in the US and killed a family of 11 including children and a baby? We would literally never ever hear the end of it - and yet this has barely made the news.

No doubt! Just like if a Muslim guy rented a large SUV and deliberately drove it into a crowd of innocent students on an American university campus, claiming it was revenge for US attacks on Muslims. Why, it would be on the front page of newspapers worldwide for weeks! All would be decrying the depravity of the Muslim mind, just as the American mindset is decried here on u75! We'd never ever hear the end of it!

(Dude! The reason that only leftist fucktards such as yourself are pissing themselves rancid over this latest "massacre" is that only you lot are retarded enough to give any creedence to these preposterous reports. Others have reputations for sanity and intelligence to uphold.)

 

[astronaut]

"Who has better experience in dealing with the Arabs than Israel?" one source asked. It was explained that several of the "interrogation" techniques used by U.S. forces in Iraq have in fact been used by Israel "for years." The technique of stripping Arab prisoners naked, to embarrass and humiliate them, has been used by Israelis, according to Arab diplomats at the U.N.

I would imagine they strip prisoners to make sure none of them have bomb belts wrapped around their waists, so I imagine it's for practical reasons rather than to humiliate them.

 

[astronaut]

(Dude! The reason that only leftist fucktards such as yourself are pissing themselves rancid over this latest "massacre" is that only you lot are retarded enough to give any creedence to these preposterous reports. Others have reputations for sanity and intelligence to uphold.)

Dude. Grow up FFS. If the massacre happened, they soldiers should be tried and justice done. If not, then they should be acquitted. They are innocent until proven guilty, but that is NOT the same as innocent because "American soldiers don't do that sort of thing".

 

[tangentlama]

I would imagine they strip prisoners to make sure none of them have bomb belts wrapped around their waists, so I imagine it's for practical reasons rather than to humiliate them.

no, US/IL who oversaw Abu Ghraib stripped Iraqis, tortured Iraqis, raped Iraqis, and murdered Iraqis during interrogation. None of them were suspected of having 'bomb belts' wrapped around their waists, or indeed, up their arses.

and neither did the 11 pyjama-clad Iraqi women, children, and men who were murdered in their beds.

Israeli 'expert' torturers and interrogators advised the US.
Israeli trained Death Squads are roaming Iraq, arabised and disguised as Iraqis, liquidising as they go.
Israel trained US assassination squads in Iraq

Israeli advisers are helping train US special forces in aggressive counter-insurgency operations in Iraq, including the use of assassination squads against guerrilla leaders, US intelligence and military sources said yesterday.
The Israeli Defence Force (IDF) has sent urban warfare specialists to Fort Bragg in North Carolina, the home of US special forces, and according to two sources, Israeli military "consultants" have also visited Iraq.

US forces in Iraq's Sunni triangle have already begun to use tactics that echo Israeli operations in the occupied territories, sealing off centres of resistance with razor wire and razing buildings from where attacks have been launched against US troops.
<snip>
"They are being trained by Israelis in Fort Bragg," a well-informed intelligence source in Washington said. "Some Israelis went to Iraq as well, not to do training, but for providing consultations." The consultants' visit to Iraq was confirmed by another US source who was in contact with American officials there.

The Pentagon did not return calls seeking comment, but a military planner, Brigadier General Michael Vane, mentioned the cooperation with Israel in a letter to Army magazine in July about the Iraq counter-insurgency campaign.

"We recently travelled to Israel to glean lessons learned from their counterterrorist operations in urban areas," wrote General Vane, deputy chief of staff at the army's training and doctrine command.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1102940,00.html

 

[astronaut]

no, US/IL who oversaw Abu Ghraib stripped Iraqis, tortured Iraqis, raped Iraqis, and murdered Iraqis during interrogation. None of them were suspected of having 'bomb belts' wrapped around their waists, or indeed, up their arses.

Well, those some of those soldiers have been put on trial and found guilty, including one today.

Israeli 'expert' torturers and interrogators advised the US.
Israeli trained Death Squads are roaming Iraq, arabised and disguised as Iraqis, liquidising as they go.
Israel trained US assassination squads in Iraq

You keep harping on and on about this. Are there no death squads in other countries? Did the Israelis invent assassinations? FFS, you're as bad as rogue yam

 

[X-77]

Others have reputations for sanity and intelligence to uphold.)

 

[spring-peeper]

Well, those some of those soldiers have been put on trial and found guilty, including one today.






You keep harping on and on about this. Are there no death squads in other countries? Did the Israelis invent assassinations? FFS, you're as bad as rogue yam

No one is disputing that this is not happening all over the world. However, most of those other squads don't make public displays about doing it in the name of world peace.

America seems to want to reshape the world in it's image. If you want to be the saviours of the world, then you should be a little bit better behaved in my opinion.

Right now they look as badly behaved as AQ.

 

[tangentlama]

gosh, I wonder who also participated in the training and arming of those death squads in Chile, El Salvador, Guatemala and Venezuela, and Argentina?

no-one said the Israeli Military invented extra-Judicial Execution, they are however, very fond of it, and it's a war crime.
let me throw some names around: Negroponte, James Steele. do you know who they are? these criminal 'specialists' are now involved in Iraq: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,688152,00.html

a 1989 Colombian Secret Police intelligence report, revealed that Israelis received an 18 year old Carlos Castaño in 1983 to 'train'. in '87, Israeli trainers went to Columbia to train him and other paramilitaries who would later make up the AUC.

during civil wars in which the US does not want to be seen getting its hands dirty in Latin America, the superpower loans Israel money at a very good rate, and then Israel uses these funds to do the "dirty work". In this regard, in Latin America at least, Israel has become the hit-man for the US.
http://jeremybigwood.net/JBsPUBS/Israel-LatAm/News+Global+Features.htm

 

[Yossarian]

It all sounds plausible enough to me - the US military doesn't mind killing women and children from the air, so I don't think they'd draw the line at killing them from ground level as well.

 

[newharper]

newsnight now.

 

[tangentlama]

i'm watching a very odd program on BBC4 called 'Our Brand is Crisis'
(American political 'Spin Doctors). what's being said?

I just turned over Ben Griffiin is on!

He says "The Americans have shown an inability to understand the difference between counter insurgency and some other term of warfare which i'm not familiar with...contempt for Iraqis and their culture....line drawn between US and UK troops re. rules of engagement.

UK are following the rules of an occupying army. US are not.

Ben looks really tired
Well done, lad. ((((((((((hugs)))))))))))

Paxman is laying into the US representative, who is blaming former vets as being disgruntled and with 'traitors' spreading lies about atrocities.

The rep is talking about the dead being collatoral damage. Ben is saying that using tactical gunships against rifle fire is not proportional. Pax says it was not committed in heat of battle. The Rep says 'the two men were lying. How do we know they were not lying."

good questions being asked re. command responsibility, and whether the troops had been given the green light to behave this way.

the rep is now harking back to past glorious american crusades.

more excellent questions about the validity of the coalition, how US can be trusted as a partner when we can't trust US not to commit war crimes against the occupied, and against prisoners of war.

collatoral damage was mentioned about 10 times in one sentence, which the US Rep didn't answer the question at all.

the rep can't answer Ben's question, but then he says 35-38k. Ben is laughing with a tired cynicism at the Rep's 'number killed in collatoral damage, and clockwork 'Bad guys and good guys' spiel. somewhere i missed out counter insurgency, asymetrical warfare, collatoral damage, lies, collatoral damage, lies, and sensed an obvious anger and discomfort at the British Intelligence of US War Crimes.
Well done Ben Griffin. Well done Pax. Well done, Newsnight. (((((((((hugs)))))))))

Sorry about the appalling transcription. Hopefully that will be given via the BBC tout suite

 

[ViolentPanda]

You keep harping on and on about this. Are there no death squads in other countries? Did the Israelis invent assassinations? FFS, you're as bad as rogue yam

Does the fact that there are death squads in other countries, that other countries use assassination as a tool excuse any of them for doing it? If not then what relevance does your post have except to bitch and moan?

 

[tangentlama]

i think astronaut just had that a bit wrong, VP

he meant: Did the Israelis not export death squad training to other countries* to be used for assassination and liquidation of political and material opponents**

(*govt. and private militias)
(**business, real estate etc)

 

[moono]

Nice commentary, tl. Do you ever watch Millwall ?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Dude. Grow up FFS. If the massacre happened, they soldiers should be tried and justice done. If not, then they should be acquitted. They are innocent until proven guilty, but that is NOT the same as innocent because "American soldiers don't do that sort of thing".

Good reply.

 

[astronaut]

Does the fact that there are death squads in other countries, that other countries use assassination as a tool excuse any of them for doing it?

No, not at all.

But it is absurd for tangentlama to blame occurences in Iraq on Israeli death squads, especially when it seems that the massacre was a kneejerk reaction to a comrade getting killed (as opposed to a premeditated massacre).

Frankly, I don't think the US marines (founded 1775) need killing advice from Israel (founded 1948).

Frankly, tangentlama seems to be some sort of covert paranoid conspiraloon - seeing Israelis everywhere doing the devils work

 

[tangentlama]

No, not at all.

But it is absurd for tangentlama to blame occurences in Iraq on Israeli death squads, especially when it seems that the massacre was a kneejerk reaction to a comrade getting killed (as opposed to a premeditated massacre).

Frankly, I don't think the US marines (founded 1775) need killing advice from Israel (founded 1948).

Frankly, tangentlama seems to be some sort of covert paranoid conspiraloon - seeing Israelis everywhere doing the devils work

i'm not reporting anything that hasn't already been openly reported by a number of news sources both in Europe and beyond. and since number of us in this forum are fluent in three or more languages, this makes for very interesting reading.

each source is entirely reputable, verifiable, and much of this information comes direct from the Worldwide Jewish Peace Group Network, esp. Israeli and Brit-Jewish Peace Groups.

also, did i mention how many urbanites of Jewish heritage were also posting in this forum?

you know that south park show where /'sh!t' is said on TV for the first time, and then everyone starts saying shit and falling over dead, and then the kids go to Las Vegas where they meet a mysterious Brit who tells them they have used the 'curse word' and that there'll be 'hell to pay'(say this in a scottish accent), then he tells them the task they must complete in order to life the curse so they can save the world from destruction by saying sh!t as an adjective inappropriately?


Frankly[ ], astronaut seems to be in some sort of denial over hard facts re. Israel's involvement in training death squads in south america and iraq, etc, and trying to pretend, like that squirming USGovt. Rep on Newsnight last night, that it's all lies, and disgruntled former employees or something,ffs, who's pushing conspiracies?