Iran's satellite launch

[nino_savatte]

Oh, I think it quite possible that Iran's advancing space program, obviously related to it's military programs including nuke weapons development, could "shake up the world scene a little, especially in the west, & maybe in the region."

Think it's kind of amusing that Ahmadinejad said the satellite was launched to spread "monotheism , peace and justice" in the world?

praise jesus

Why is it "obvious" that Iran's launch of a satellite into orbit is "related" to its military programs? Aren't you (and the national security apparatus in conjunction with the mainstream media) being a bit paranoid?

It must be horrible to live in fear.

 

[TomUS]

Why is it "obvious" that Iran's launch of a satellite into orbit is "related" to its military programs? Aren't you (and the national security apparatus in conjunction with the mainstream media) being a bit paranoid?

It must be horrible to live in fear.

You seriously think Iran's space program is unrelated to it's military programs? Space programs of most countries are.

Must be horrible to be so naive.

 

[nino_savatte]

You seriously think Iran's space program is unrelated to it's military programs? Space programs of most countries are.

Must be horrible to be so naive.

Do you always take things at face value? Furthermore, why should only the US and its minions have a monopoly on space technology?

Like I said, it must be horrible to live in fear.

Grow up.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

If you had nuclear armed enemy on your doorstep and a superpower who hates your guts, would you not want at least a satellite to give you military intelligence?

 

[TomUS]

If you had nuclear armed enemy on your doorstep and a superpower who hates your guts, would you not want at least a satellite to give you military intelligence?

Sure. I'd also want nuke weapons.

I simply showed a BBC article that says

But the launch could cause alarm in the West because of fears the technology could be used to make a long-range missile, possibly with a nuclear warhead, our correspondent says.

And seems very possible that correspondent is right, & that it might also shake up countries in the region (Saudi, Israel, Pakistan, Turkey) fearful of Iran's increasing military power.

 

[TomUS]

why should only the US and its minions have a monopoly on space technology?

Like I said, it must be horrible to live in fear.

I didn't say the US & it's minions should & I didn't say I'm afraid of it.

 

[nino_savatte]

I didn't say the US & it's minions should & I didn't say I'm afraid of it.

Nonetheless, you expressed the same fear that your political leaders have expressed; and it is the same fear that has been reproduced in the mass media. Iran = bad guys with serious designs on 'our way of life'.

You forget how this all started back in 1979.

 

[gentlegreen]

You forget how this all started back in 1979.

It was a shock the other night to see footage of Carter fawning in front of the Shah - and Khomeni not quite the tyrant I had been led to believe he was when I was 19 ... And Dinejad was there waiting in the wings ..

As ye sow, so shall ye reap ...

 

[nino_savatte]

It was a shock the other night to see footage of Carter fawning in front of the Shah - and Khomeni not quite the tyrant I had been led to believe he was when I was 19 ... And Dinejad was there waiting in the wings ..

As ye sow, so shall ye reap ...

Yep.

Good prog, though. I figured that Team Reagan had a hand in the the news delay from Tehran too.

 

[TomUS]

Nonetheless, you expressed the same fear that your political leaders have expressed; and it is the same fear that has been reproduced in the mass media. Iran = bad guys with serious designs on 'our way of life'.

You forget how this all started back in 1979.

I didn't express fear. I said others would feel fear. I didn't forget. But I think it began in 1953 with the Brits & the US.

 

[tangentlama]

The recent episode 1 of BBC's 'Iran and the West' totally left out the complicity and extend of the US involvement to Hussein's Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war.

It was another revisionist history like the HBOS/BBC mini series on House of Saddham.

 

[nino_savatte]

I didn't express fear. I said others would feel fear. I didn't forget. But I think it began in 1953 with the Brits & the US.

Well, there is some truth in what you say: if the US/UK hadn't arranged for Mossadegh's departure, the Shah wouldn't have been able to set up such a ruthless internal security apparatus and there would have been no Khomeini-inspired revolution. But Washington made the biggest mistake by allowing the Shah into the US. Then there was the wee matter of all the loot that he took with him...

 

[nino_savatte]

The recent episode 1 of BBC's 'Iran and the West' totally left out the complicity and extend of the US involvement to Hussein's Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war.

It was another revisionist history like the HBOS/BBC mini series on House of Saddham.

Aye, for sure it was underplayed somewhat. The history between the US and Saddam goes back well before that. During the Oil Crisis of the mid-70's, Iraq supplied the US with oil behind the back of OPEC. A curious arrangement when one thinks of how the USMC rehearsed an invasion of Iraq in the Mojave Desert as early as 1971 (iirc).

 

[camouflage]

Good doggy, niiiice doggy, have some lovely oil....

Although I find the religionism of the Iranian regime laughable, I don't see Iran as a threat at all. The US and we her lackeys are the threat, clearly. Well done Iran for managing to build a prodcutive space program despite having a leadership obsessed with spagetti monsters tbf.

Iran's where it wants to be, independant, self-confident, able to develop itself. Aggressive war would offer them nothing at all. It's we in the red-white and blue that need aggressive wars to benefit our rulers. It's good politics to talk of the Isreali regime one day passing into history as did the Sovjet Union, but I hardly think Iran would take it on itself to do anything more to that end than support resistance fighters to Isreals military operations.

'The Wests' attitude is basically, "how dare these uppity fuzzy-wuzzies leave the donkey age without our explicit permission, they are a threat and must be stopped" as someone in the thread already pointed out.

 

[jimadore]

This is the best, the t.v. in Iran is awful maybe get some western t.v. now?