Iranian Ex-Muslim Mina Ahadi wins Secularist of the Year prize

[Aldebaran]

So Ahadi's campaigns against Iranian oppression and intimidation, at the expense of her husband's life and almost at the expense of hers, were for self-serving reasons then?

Where and how you come to that conclusion is a mystery to any observant mind.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

This is an almost identical argument to the one my vicar

Obviously t isn't quite correct to compare me with anyone else but myself. Let alone a *Christian* clergyman with whom you had some differences, which on their own have absolutely nothing to do with anything discussed.

I pointed out that I was perfectly happy with the life I had, and that my issues came more from the pain and suffering that I saw happening in the world around me

See? You admit that you saw/see God as having an obligation to actively interfere in people's lives. If that concerned you personally or others makes no difference in the mistake of your perception.

salaam

 

[Aldebaran]

Odd that, how religious types scold secularists who dare suggest a link between people's violent actions (for acts of compassion, are of course, all purely religious) and the spiritual ideaologies they profess, all this in spite of literary evidence, whilst feeling perfectly entitled to deduce the hidden motivations behind brave secularists on the basis of absolutely fuck-all.

I have no idea what you are on about but it looks as if you find it interesting.

Odd that, isn't it Aldebaran?

To me it is... I mean: your post. But don't let that interfere with further development of your thought process in that direction.

salaam.

 

[poului]

I have no idea what you are on about but it looks as if you find it interesting.



To me it is... I mean: your post. But don't let that interfere with further development of your thought process in that direction.

salaam.

Your spiritual privileges haven't exactly bolstered your trolling skills, it would seem.

 

[kyser_soze]

Your spiritual privileges haven't exactly bolstered your trolling skills, it would seem.

Saying that, the passive/aggressive mode troll mode Aldy uses is almost uniquely infuruating...more so than fela, cos he's not trolling...

 

[poului]

Saying that, the passive/aggressive mode troll mode Aldy uses is almost uniquely infuruating...more so than fela, cos he's not trolling...

Considering how Aldebaran would now have us believe that his "dissection" of secular thought - having followed his stated reservations about Ms Ahidi - was a complete non sequitur I'd like to think that the people stupid enough to fall for this poster's "arguments" deserve all they get.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

So you deny the existence of this phenomenon, as we have just witnessed first hand?

I'm not sure I can detect any denial of any sort of my posting.

 

[poului]

I'm not sure I can detect any denial of any sort of my posting.

So why make the claim in the light of what's been said on this thread, then?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Sorry, I'm completely missing whatever point you're trying to make.

 

[Aldebaran]

Considering how Aldebaran would now have us believe that his "dissection" of secular thought - having followed his stated reservations about Ms Ahidi - was a complete non sequitur I'd like to think that the people stupid enough to fall for this poster's "arguments" deserve all they get.

Considering how you would now have me and others believe you make sense with anything you wrote here I would like to think you are intelligent enough to admit that it is all complete nonsense. Possibly I hope in vain, but I'm a born optimist.

salaam.

 

[poului]

Sorry, I'm completely missing whatever point you're trying to make.

no, I'm asking a question, you surely must have posted this claim

While being an atheist and an opponent of religion it does strike me that exaggeration of the apparent faults of religious people is not in itself a completely rationalist approach.

in light of some post on this thread, I'd just like to know which one.

 

[poului]

Considering how you would now have me and others believe you make sense with anything you wrote here I would like to think you are intelligent enough to admit that it is all complete nonsense. Possibly I hope in vain, but I'm a born optimist.

evasive as ever, you'd make a great amateur theologian, presuming you haven't already proclaimed yourself to be one.

 

[Aldebaran]

evasive as ever, you'd make a great second-rate theologian, presuming you haven't already proclaimed yourself to be one.

a) How I can be evasive about something that makes no sense at all is an additional mystery you added to your posts in this thread.
b) I studied theology quite extensively. Islamic an Christian(Catholic) both.
Did you? If not how can you possibly assess my knowledge and skills in those fields?

salaam.

 

[poului]

a) How I can be evasive about something that makes no sense at all is an additional mystery you added to your posts in this thread.
b) I studied theology quite extensively. Islamic an Christian(Catholic) both.
Did you? If not how can you possibly assess my knowledge and skills in those fields?

salaam.

I'm not going to rise to your astoundingly obvious bait, Aldy boy. You've clearly displayed a gigantic double-standard in your attitude towards the religious and the secular. Perhaps your selective understanding of my posts will be able to grapple with that.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

no, I'm asking a question, you surely must have posted this claim....in light of some post on this thread, I'd just like to know which one.

Why "surely"? Are all observations made directly in response to other observations?

 

[Aldebaran]

You've clearly displayed a gigantic double-standard in your attitude towards the religious and the secular.

I did?

Perhaps your selective understanding of my posts will be able to grapple with that.

Quite obviously your selective & prejudiced reading of mine was the cause behind yours. How could that ever be my problem when it is in fact yours?
If it can be a consolation: You are not alone... You are indeed loved and followed.

salaam.

 

[poului]

I did?

Quite obviously your selective & prejudiced reading of mine was the cause behind yours. How could that ever be my problem when it is in fact yours?
If it can be a consolation: You are not alone... You are indeed loved and followed.

salaam.

So if I bragged on a thread about a courageous Muslim anti-war protestor about how his/her proclamations to be Muslim were suspect and then followed it immediately with suggestions of disingenuity behind Muslim thought you'd be happy to accept my comments then, would you?

You really are beyond a joke, mate. But don't worry, just claim I wasn't being clear enough, it surely must be my fault if you don't understand.

Why "surely"? Are all observations made directly in response to other observations?

Ouch! Goodbye contextualisation!

 

[mk12]

Seems like a good thing. But I can't help thinking it's mostly getting use as one more thing we need to bomb the shit out of those I-ray-nians for.

It's from the National Secular Society webpage for christ's sake.

 

[david dissadent]

I all comes down to understanding.
In my experience all too many people are too self-centered to even come to the idea, let alone the understanding, that God doesn't exist to serve them.
They turn things upside down and as soon as God is perceived as not serving them enough (in their idea) they "do not believe" anymore. In any such cases there was not much of a belief in God but on purely selfish ground. (I always say: If you look for a servant, hire one.)

salaam.

That is only one view. Many people are happy to believe in a vaugue non internventionist God, more akin to Aristotles distant 'unmoved mover'. Such people are not inclined to be deeply worshipful of so distant an entity. On another level, many reasonably selfless individuals abandon the idea of God not because he does not do enough for them, but does not do enough to curb the suffering of others. But I personaly believe that it is not the lack of serving God that they turn against, they just feel nothing of the devine in the world or ordering it. It takes alot to sustain faith in the modern world.

 

[rover07]

Who won religious fanatic of the year?

 

[david dissadent]

Who won religious fanatic of the year?

Moqtada al Sadr for claiming the US Marines had a file on the al Madhi and planned to assinate him.

 

[rover07]

Moqtada al Sadr for claiming the US Marines had a file on the al Madhi and planned to assassinate him.

LOL Brilliant... makes perfect sense... if you believe in the Messiah and Satan

 

[JHE]

Who won religious fanatic of the year?

Mohammed al-Jihadi bin Wan'quah was on his way to the NSS to accept his prize. He planned to blow himself up in order to kill as many godless kuffar as possible. Unfortunately, he couldn't contain himself and went bang long before he got to Red Lion Square. Terrible mess.

 

[rover07]

What was the US codename.... Operation Crucify