1. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Thread worth a read

     
  2. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    It would seem from reading around a bit on twitter that the protests were initially started by hardliners in an effort to unseat Rouhani and the moderates but they miscalculated the feelings of the wider populace wrt to corruption and economic stagnation and the whole thing rapidly slipped from their control.
     
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  3. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    I've seen nothing beyond 'might' or rumours of. Nothing concrete aside from the first one starting in a traditionally conservative city.

    And can we make clear the 'moderates' in this situation are neo-liberal theocrats.
     
  4. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Well ok to be fair it is just one explanation but yeah I certainly agree that 'moderates' here is not meant in the usual sense.
     
  5. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    From a kurdish news agency - with some interesting thoughts at the end about potential political/economic demands (of course splitting them is always a tool of power).Of course this may be wishful thinking but the tenor of these protests if very different from 2009 and has been seasoned by Syria (and if we could avoid disappearing the iranian people in favour of trump and US interests by day five then that would be great) and the Arab Spring:

    What do the people in Iran want, why do the protest?

     
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  6. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    I've not got much info. Will spend some time looking today but dont expect to gain much clarity.

    Was vaguely amused by this tweet and some of the responses.

     
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  7. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

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  8. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Yeah. The only thing surprising about it is it took a day or 3 longer for this propaganda to be deployed than I expected.

    Meanwhile Adonis seems to be sticking to painting this as reformers vs hardliners, revealing plenty about the status quo and international 'lets do business with the moderates' shit and very little about the actual situation right now. Comedy.

     
  9. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    The anti-imperialist left were off and running with it from day one.
     
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  10. copliker

    copliker ...

    IASWI statement on the new wave of mass protests in Iran

    Aaron Bastani is supporting the state I see. He was smashing up HSBC a few years ago.
     
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  11. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Well it doesnt require any thought or updating of positions, just flick that tired old switch!

    This article mentions protest votes (eg spoilt ballots) in elections in locations such as Qom.

    Why Reformists Do Not Empathize with the Protesters
     
  12. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    Paul Masons bullet points.

    Bullet points on the Iranian revolt – Mosquito Ridge – Medium

    Quite a lot of them are rather quotable, not sure how I will pick just a few but here goes:

    OK I failed to narrow it down to just a few, oh well.
     
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  13. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

    If the general strike call had been successful, I kinda think we might have heard about it by now. But I cant be sure, since as usual the flow of info in English is not exactly great.
     
  14. cantsin

    cantsin Well-Known Member

    yep, v unimpressed with Bastano here, he seems to be suggesting that we shldnt be supporting the protests ( and todays gen strike ?) , and instead be lobbying our govts to press the Mullahs for reforms.

    "Fully Auto Lux Comm for the West , slightly less oppressive theocracies for the mid east"
     
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  15. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    Not that I'm begruding the people in Iran for what they are doing, the Iranian government is no friend of the left, but what I am curious about and what there seems to be a dearth of information about is the makeup and positioning of those who are taking part in the protests. It reminds me a lot of Libya, when once you read in a little bit more depth you found out that a lot of the opposition to Gaddaffi was the same sort of group which ended up blowing up kids in Manchester in 2017. Not that I'm suggesting any sort of role on the part of Salafists here, the demographic makeup of Iran makes that impossible, but just who are these people? What do they want and why?
     
  16. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  17. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    wtf? I didn't expect this semi-racist shit from you.

    Thanks for not begrudging btw. 100s of thousands of people putting their lifes on the line to oppose a hardline theocratic state and you don't begrudge them? They must feel so lucky.
     
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  18. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Why don't you look for info? Dearth? In five days you want to be given exact info on what's happening, whose doing it and why - and if you don't get it you'll default to it being exactly what happened in libya?
     
  19. sihhi

    sihhi John 3:30

    It's not like Libya any more than eg Congo. The participation of women is higher, much higher for a start.

    I'll not understand how Novara are go-to commentator depots for SkyNews etc, Bastani's comment is quite misleading

    "Rouhani is a neoliberal economically and something of a social liberal. Protest is happening in places where voters wanted candidates to right of him."

    1 Protest is happening all across the country.
    2 Police stations have been burnt down where voters wanted candidates to the left but were not allowed under Council regulations.
     
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  20. dialectician

    dialectician Minimal Donk

    he keeps shifting to the right anew every day.

    Hardly surprising after they gave a talk socialism via nationalism. smh.
     
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  21. Rimbaud

    Rimbaud Well-Known Member

    He is looking for info, that's what his post was, asking for information.
     
  22. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    "it reminds me of libya" - j Ed knows better than this, to immediately compare to what is seen as a disaster. And to put it in terms of what stuff appears to be but is really underneath. The iranian working class dissapears, like the syrian w/c went. I know 100% j ed doesn't mean this but that's how deep this stuff gone now...it can even be put in this way that communists questions revolts against theocracies.
     
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  23. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    This is a fair enough criticism on both accounts. Will just read rather than comment on this.
     
  24. sihhi

    sihhi John 3:30

    why does the "iranian working class dissapears" like lots of places behind the anti-imperialist belt (iran, belarus, venezuela, syria, cuba - even god help us people's democratic korea), i think the economic crisis is hitting certain sectors for real this time the first time, so the comfort from having (even a misshapen) bulwark against the prevailing order (when strike action at home is so low) is all the greater.

    in the first stages of any revolt like this comments of people at home reveal more about the state of our societies, our left than the country under discussion.
     
  25. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Isn't this saying that this misshapen defence is no good?
     
  26. sihhi

    sihhi John 3:30

    It doesn't do any practical good as far as I can see.
     
  27. sihhi

    sihhi John 3:30

  28. sihhi

    sihhi John 3:30

    Point 9 :

    9. Putin, Assad, Hezbollah and all their cheerleaders in the alt-right and Stalinist left are already trying to smear the protests as pro-imperialist. The revolt shows, once again, that Stalinism is not a dead issue in the progressive movement, and that its remaining advocates want only an authoritarian “anti-imperialist” regime to support.

    He's simply lumped in Putin there for no reason except to magnify the image of a totalitarian enemy for his own mad plans, Putin hasn't said a single word about the protests and Russia's ministry of foreign affairs said it was an internal matter for Iran.
     
  29. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    Putin himself may indeed have said nothing but someone in the administration has gone on record:

     
  30. taffboy gwyrdd

    taffboy gwyrdd Embrace the confusion!

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