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slaar said:
So that's that then. With the third most senior US politician meeting Abbas in Palestine recently and Assad in Damascus today, is the world finally regaining some semblance of diplomacy after the crazy Bush years?
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We can only hope..

I wonder what John Bolton (neo-con American ex-UN ambassador) would say now after he lambasted the UK for our "weak" approach to negotiations. Hurts me to say but well done the UK government handled the whole matter extremely well IMO.
 
I actually propose a new law, 'Bolton's Law':

"Take anything that John Bolton says, then do the exact opposite, and that's the way to make progress in international affairs".
 
Kid_Eternity said:
You might have hit on why they were released, Iran releases the 15, public happy, Iran calls for the release of their 5, US doesn't give them over and Iran looks better in the Muslim/Arab world than it already does.../idle speculation
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Pity the rest of the world isn't impressed. I would be wondering why Iran has just given away the best set of bargaining chips its had for a long time... :confused:
 
It's reasonable to demand the release of the Iranians taken captive by US, and for that to be complied with within a couple of weeks.

US looks bad in the world, full stop. It's fucked Iraq over, it wants to fuck Iran over, and it's trying to destablise Syria now.

I think it's safe to say the Yanks are hated more than the Brits. Yanks not only dismantle states, but like to replace them with their own corporations. Not 'free market' more a type of corporate colonialism.
 
Whereas the Iranians are just a bunch of loveable mop-heads who just misread GPS's, have a tendency to arm militia groups in the region, etc... I know which country I would much rather be setting up shop in the neighbourhood...!

(And has everyone lost their critical thinking abilities and replaced them with knee-jerk cyncism)
 
It is quite possible that behind the scenes it has been agreed that the Iranians who were taken by the USA in Iraq will also be freed but only at a later time so that it does not appear there was any linkage between the two issues. Perhaps only time may tell.
 
Interesting move from the Iranians, probably because they have realised that there is will from the EU (but not of course from the UN) to punish them with economic sanctions, albeit maybe not for a continued nuclear programme.

It will also be interesting to see what the 15 themselves will say about their treatment.
 
agricola said:
It will also be interesting to see what the 15 themselves will say about their treatment.
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What the MOD want them to say, most likely.
 
jæd said:
Pity the rest of the world isn't impressed. I would be wondering why Iran has just given away the best set of bargaining chips its had for a long time... :confused:
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By rest of the world you mean who exactly? Outside of the 'west' I reckon there's alot of people who see Iran standing up to the US and it's UK poodle whether we like it or not.
 
jæd said:
Whereas the Iranians are just a bunch of loveable mop-heads who just misread GPS's, have a tendency to arm militia groups in the region, etc...
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Arm militia groups ?
Who armed the taliban ? Who armed Saddam ?
Who sprayed agent orange in Vietnam killing thousands then quickly found a reason to hang Saddam ?
And this :

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/04/abc_news_exclus.html

A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.
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slaar said:
I actually propose a new law, 'Bolton's Law':

"Take anything that John Bolton says, then do the exact opposite, and that's the way to make progress in international affairs".
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I've been subscribing to your 'Bolton's Law' for years now, from the very moment I first saw his fucking lips move and noticed the shit oozing out.

In fact, I just saw Bolton last night being interviewed on TV re: the hostage 'situation' (about 12 hours before the big announcement was made Pacific Time)...looking back on it now just hours later, it's quite possibly the most hilarious thing I've ever witnessed.

EVERY. SINGLE. WORD. he said was completely irrelevant. EVERY. SINGLE. WORD. demonstrated just what a useless, pathetic jack-off he is. Damn, I wish I could link folks to a YouTube clip of the interview, to juxtapose his 'talking points' with the announcement made this a.m. He's actually quite sad and pathetic to see/hear (but in a funny way)...must be a real embarrasment to any Yank with a brain.

Indeed, whatever it was the Brits did to secure the release, and the way they've conducted themselves over the last few days, it was the exact opposite to what was oozing out of loser Bolton's fucking cake-hole last night. And, viola...15 Brits are on their way home.
 
Shreddy said:
I've been subscribing to your 'Bolton's Law' for years now, from the very moment I first saw his fucking lips move and noticed the shit oozing out.

In fact, I just saw Bolton last night being interviewed on TV re: the hostage 'situation' (about 12 hours before the big announcement was made Pacific Time)...looking back on it now just hours later, it's quite possibly the most hilarious thing I've ever witnessed.

EVERY. SINGLE. WORD. he said was completely irrelevant. EVERY. SINGLE. WORD. demonstrated just what a useless, pathetic jack-off he is. Damn, I wish I could link folks to a YouTube clip of the interview, to juxtapose his 'talking points' with the announcement made this a.m. He's actually quite sad and pathetic to see/hear (but in a funny way)...must be a real embarrasment to any Yank with a brain.

Indeed, whatever it was the Brits did to secure the release, and the way they've conducted themselves over the last few days, it was the exact opposite to what was oozing out of loser Bolton's fucking cake-hole last night. And, viola...15 Brits are on their way home.
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Damn right. Guy's a waste of oxygen.
 
TAE said:
What the MOD want them to say, most likely.
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I wonder which part of the MOD would that be? Would that be the part now owned by American Corporations (Carlyle Group) as a 'strategic partner with the U.K. MoD' who might well have designed the GPS the sailors used, or the part which is still 'owned' by the British Govt.?
 
Well, I just did a quick tour of the obvious wing-nut sites to see their reaction.

They're clearly extremely upset by this. There is some talk about how the RN personnel were cowards and traitors and a lot of talk about appeasement.

One comment that particularly sticks with me is someone saying, to general approval that the Brits have proven themselves to be too spineless to be reliable allies in the region and that the US should look elsewhere, I think to Israel in his view, for some allies who see things the same way as they do and know how to act tough.
 
Bernie Gunther said:
Well, I just did a quick tour of the obvious wing-nut sites to see their reaction.

They're clearly extremely upset by this. There is some talk about how the RN personnel were cowards and traitors and a lot of talk about appeasement.

One comment that particularly sticks with me is someone saying, to general approval that the Brits have proven themselves to be too spineless to be reliable allies in the region and that the US should look elsewhere, I think to Israel in his view, for some allies who see things the same way as they do and know how to act tough.
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They're fucking insane. Someone quoted Rush Limbaugh.
Does anybody think that 15 United States Marines would just sit there and allow themselves to be taken when they had not invaded Iranian waters and then in two days, start apologizing on Iranian TV? Do you think 15 United States Marines would do this?

No.

Way.
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Bernie Gunther said:
Well, I just did a quick tour of the obvious wing-nut sites to see their reaction.

They're clearly extremely upset by this. There is some talk about how the RN personnel were cowards and traitors and a lot of talk about appeasement.

One comment that particularly sticks with me is someone saying, to general approval that the Brits have proven themselves to be too spineless to be reliable allies in the region and that the US should look elsewhere, I think to Israel in his view, for some allies who see things the same way as they do and know how to act tough.
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I wonder what they're saying about Pelosi having nice chats with Abbas and Assad? Frankly, I hope the US does look elsewhere, but they won't find many takers. Morons.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
By rest of the world you mean who exactly? Outside of the 'west' I reckon there's alot of people who see Iran standing up to the US and it's UK poodle whether we like it or not.
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So Iran swipe a set of poorly armed seaman, come out with one set of coordinates thats wrong and have to go back and try again. After they get the EU and part of the UN they give them back...

Ooooh, Iran, I'm so impressed by you standing up to the US/UK... :rolleyes:
 
Bernie Gunther said:
Oh nice. "Tea Drinking Surrender Monkeys"

Apparently ...

Ugly, very ugly.
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So Iran have basically shoved a wacking great wedge between the US and UK while cleverly playing on the US sense of machismo?
 
jæd said:
So Iran swipe a set of poorly armed seaman, come out with one set of coordinates thats wrong and have to go back and try again. After they get the EU and part of the UN they give them back...

Ooooh, Iran, I'm so impressed by you standing up to the US/UK... :rolleyes:
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Well you're not the target audience so I don't think you'd understand...:p
 
Kid_Eternity said:
So Iran have basically shoved a wacking great wedge between the US and UK while cleverly playing on the US sense of machismo?
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That's an interesting way of looking at it and I don't think you're far wrong, although I'm not sure how intentional that aspect was.

Check this out from the normally level-headed ex-spook US blogger Pat Lang.
Sad. So sad. The "HMS Cornwall Affair" speaks volumes about the present state of the Royal Navy and Marines. The professional incompetence of the ship's officers was matched by the craven behavior of the captives.
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source
 
paimei01 said:
Arm militia groups ?
Who armed the taliban ? Who armed Saddam ?
Who sprayed agent orange in Vietnam killing thousands then quickly found a reason to hang Saddam ?
And this :

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/04/abc_news_exclus.html
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Gotta love one of the comments...

... This could have waited. In fact, it is an old story that Jamestown Foundation wrote about in February and one Doug Lorimer at "The Green Left" wrote about a month ago on the 8th of March. This is not "breaking" nor is it "exclusive". It is a story that Iranian intelligence has been pushing for months.
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Though reading the rest of the comments is interesting (if a little depressing that these people are allowed out of their houses)
 
to summarise perhaps to see if anyone agrees?

A mistake was certainly made and through talking diplomatically it is now being corrected and resolved without any loss of face for either party.

No humans were significantly harmed during this dispute.

Perhaps such effort may also be made to resolve the boundaries in that waterway to prevent mistakes occurring again.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
So Iran have basically shoved a wacking great wedge between the US and UK while cleverly playing on the US sense of machismo?
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I think they've certainly read / played UK public opinion quite well.
 
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