Iran launches new missiles....

[Streathamite]

just read all of this - fucking hell!

 

[Idris2002]

As is typical, you leftists are drooling over this or that "magic bullet" that you dream will render grubby psychopaths such as yourselves equal to the combined might of a free people. This will never happen. You evil ones might manage the odd, back-stabbing murder, as cemertyone was bragging about having committed on another thread today. Free and proud people, such as we of the United States of America, will abide.

Tools do not equal tactics, and even if the Iranians possess certain anti-ship weapons, this does not mean that they will ever be capable of destroying any American warships. But even if they manage a horrible strike against our forces, causing significant damage and casualties, your wicked elation will be short-lived indeed.

Remember 9/11. While the smoke and dust still hung over lower Manhattan, the dancing and singing rang out from all of the world's most fetid cesspools of depravity; "Palestine", Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, China, France, Ireland, and sadly, even parts of the UK. Oh, how you all delighted in the unimaginable prowess and spirit of the mighty Islamist warrior. Surely the evil beast, the USA, had finally been harnessed.

Sorry. Didn't happen. And it never will.

Yes, Iran has the option of committing suicide. But which rope they use matters little in the end. Yes, you all might enjoy a brief, delightful moment wherein you dip your hands in American blood and wave them over your heads, dancing and beaming. But then the American people will respond, at a time and in a manner of our choosing. As always. And the blood of the innocent, unavoidably spilled in the pursuit of the guilty, will be on your hands, as surely as it will be on the hands of the murderous Islamists you so depravedly encourage and abet.

Ireland? Can I have a large portion of 'wtf?' with a side order of 'rofl' please?

If you've ever wondered if our tuberous friend really doesn't know what he's talking about, look at this; after 9/11, the Irish government ordered a national day of mourning for the dead.

Hardly 'dipping our hands in American blood and dancing' yammie. You know, I'd feel embarassed for you if I wasn't laughing at you so much.
ADDS:

Though 'fetid cesspool of depravity' is not a bad description for the average Irish pub at chucking out time.

 

[Idris2002]

OK so with its choke points at the Straits the Persian gulf is a potential death trap for surface naval vessels.

Where do subs fit into all this? I know the Israelis have a diesel powered fleet they can supply from their base on the Dahlak islands off the coast of Eritrea. Do the Iranians have any anti-submarine kit that we know of?

 

[Bigdavalad]

OK so with its choke points at the Straits the Persian gulf is a potential death trap for surface naval vessels.

Where do subs fit into all this? I know the Israelis have a diesel powered fleet they can supply from their base on the Dahlak islands off the coast of Eritrea. Do the Iranians have any anti-submarine kit that we know of?

2 destroyers, a frigate, a corvette and a few patrol ships - they should all have at least basic ASW kit (and the destroyers and frigates should have helicopters that could be used for ASW).

 

[likesfish]

the super fast torp is a copy of a russian torpedo/missile thingy more of a last ditch defense weapon for subs than a carrier killer.
they have bigger torps some fitted for nukes for that job as the super fast torp only has a 6 k range.
in the event of a war give the iranian armed forces 48hrs tops insurgency could go on forever but antiship missiles etc no chance the carriers can sit out in the ocean out of harms way till all the boats and missile sights are toast.
b52s and b2 will make most of the iraninan fixed defences into so much rubble.
in a post conflict situation US tactics suck true.
but the americans invaded iraq in a matter of weeks with a divison less than they wanted. Iraninan posturing about there super weapons is about as valid as the iraqi pr blokes views.
Yam you going to lead us into tehran? I'm up for following you "if only from a sense of morbid curiosity"

 

[ViolentPanda]

but the americans invaded iraq in a matter of weeks with a divison less than they wanted.

Take a look at a decent map, the terrain is totally different from Iraq, 2/3rds of the Iranian terrain is classed as mountainous, and (IMHO) a big problem will be that transiting from one part of Iran to another is going to have to either be done by road, which means sustaining the same kind of losses as the Soviet Union did in similar circumstances in Afghanistan (mines, landlsides, ambushes in passes etc) or by air, which makes them vulnerable to the vast Iranian stock of SAMs.
Fuck being a squaddie in that shit-storm.

 

[Fruitloop]

Rentonite's posts always look at first glance like they're written in blank verse. The second glance is a terrible disappointment.

 

[cemertyone]

Remember 9/11. While the smoke and dust still hung over lower Manhattan, the dancing and singing rang out from all of the world's most fetid cesspools of depravity; "Palestine", Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, China, France, Ireland, and sadly, even parts of the UK.

Even for you... this is a remarkable piece of prose...have you been on the crack today or something.

 

[Rune]

Remember 9/11. While the smoke and dust still hung over lower Manhattan, the dancing and singing rang out from all of the world's most fetid cesspools of depravity; "Palestine", Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, China, France, Ireland, and sadly, even parts of the UK. Oh, how you all delighted in the unimaginable prowess and spirit of the mighty Islamist warrior. Surely the evil beast, the USA, had finally been harnessed.

Sorry. Didn't happen. And it never will.

Yes, Iran has the option of committing suicide. But which rope they use matters little in the end. Yes, you all might enjoy a brief, delightful moment wherein you dip your hands in American blood and wave them over your heads, dancing and beaming. But then the American people will respond, at a time and in a manner of our choosing. As always. And the blood of the innocent, unavoidably spilled in the pursuit of the guilty, will be on your hands, as surely as it will be on the hands of the murderous Islamists you so depravedly encourage and abet.

I can't recall ever posting over here, usually happy to lurk. But this little lot reminded me an awful lot of some of the tripe that gets spouted by muslim extremeists. Shouldn't you be talking in a different language if you want us to follow you down the path to glory?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Reminded me an awful lot of Oliver Hardy's classic line:

"Now look what you made me do!"

 

[ViolentPanda]

I can't recall ever posting over here, usually happy to lurk. But this little lot reminded me an awful lot of some of the tripe that gets spouted by muslim extremeists. Shouldn't you be talking in a different language if you want us to follow you down the path to glory?

Yam will never walk the "path to glory" or slip on it's blood-soaked cobbles. Like his beloved president and the majority of the neocon members of the administration he has absolutely no intention of ever putting himself in harm's way. His extreme patriotism is strictly of the chickenhawk kind. Not for him the smell of shit, blood and gunsmoke, or the risk of losing life or limb.

 

[Idris2002]

Reminded me an awful lot of Oliver Hardy's classic line:

"Now look what you made me do!"

I'm reminded more of the Three Stooges - 'A wise guy, huh?'

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm reminded more of the Three Stooges - 'A wise guy, huh?'

"Wise" isn't a word I'd even jokingly use around most of these 'bots.

 

[camouflage]

I don`t know if this has been posted elsewhere but i believe it to be of interest in the coming U.S. WAR on Iran.
This moring the head of the Iranian navy confirmed that they have developed and are intent on installing what they believe to be the quickest and most silent torpedo that has been developed every. Iranian TV interupted news programmes to show extracts of the successful test programme.
In addition, the Iranian Army have announced that the range of the most up to date missiles in their armoury has been extended by another 1000kms...
I don`t have a link for it..... though its on teletext...

I think it's irrelevent what new armements Iran brings out in terms of a possible American action against them. At the end of the day it's the same old weapon that has been used against invaders , interventionists and imperialists since before the Romans that will decide any outcome...

Will Of The People.

All other effective tactics and strategies are based on that resource, Iran would have alot of it, America would only have Will of Bushies and a few Corpos. No match, that's like swords and spears verses the Martini-Henry right there. Outclassed, out-numbered and out-gunned.

 

[rogue yam]

I think it's irrelevent what new armements Iran brings out in terms of a possible American action against them. At the end of the day it's the same old weapon that has been used against invaders , interventionists and imperialists since before the Romans that will decide any outcome...

Will Of The People.

All other effective tactics and strategies are based on that resource, Iran would have alot of it, America would only have Will of Bushies and a few Corpos. No match, that's like swords and spears verses the Martini-Henry right there. Outclassed, out-numbered and out-gunned.

All this hand-waving did neither the Taliban nor Saddam any good. The Mullahs will share their fate if the situation comes to blows.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

All this hand-waving did neither the Taliban nor Saddam any good. The Mullahs will share their fate if the situation comes to blows.

How are you going to do that? With air strikes from 50,000 feet?

You certainly aren't in a position to invade given the self-inflicted strategic disaster in Iraq is keeping your army busy.

 

[camouflage]

All this hand-waving did neither the Taliban nor Saddam any good. The Mullahs will share their fate if the situation comes to blows.

The puppet-state of Afganistan is the city-state of Kabul by all accounts. Luckily for the US and the UK the Afghan people seem mostly just to have shrugged their shoulders and continued with their burka-wearing lives as usual, the US hasn't really pissed them off yet, only their war-lords and poppy-barons, and still the 'government' is mostly confined to its city, and the territory of a few bank-rolled warlords willing to humour this new state of 'democracy'. As for Iraq- two words my friend "Green Zone".

If the US goes against Iran, the US won't know peace untill it withdraws all it's armies from Irans neigbours and probably an apology would be in order.

 

[G. Fieendish]

Re:Ilikesfish'es comment
What B52's, Ilikesfish...?
Currently, the U.S Military Quadrennial (4-year) Defence Review has reported that half of the existing B-52H fleet is due to be scrapped, in order to pay for 2 F/A-22 Raptors.
(Current unit cost of the F/A-22 Raptor is $380 Million (£217 Million) per unit).
Also the proposed re-engining of the remainder of the B-52 fleet, with more fuel efficient engines, has been cancelled, along with the proposed avionic/ECM upgrades...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Sounds a lot like what you might have said about the Russians during the Cold War, except that wouldn't have fitted your agenda. No bogeyman, nothing to get excited about. I'd fly in a Russian plane made by Russians - I'd fly in an Iranian plane made by Iranians if that was my thing..

But - there's no Soviet Union any more. All the talk was true.

I'd rather not fly in a russian plane: they crash all the time inside the country. I'm not sure if Aeroflot has the world's worst safety record - I think that goes to some South American airline - but it has to be right up there.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

http://www.airsafe.com/events/regions/europe.htm

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The gulf is a very long, narrow & shallow stretch of water. It does not allow large vessels much room to manoeuvre. .

"In Western countries it is called Persian Gulf, in most Arab countries it is called Arabian Gulf.
The length is 1,000 km, and the maximum width is 370 km."

http://i-cias.com/e.o/pers_glf.htm

................

Just how big do you think these ships are?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Strait of Hormuz
also called Strait Of Ormuz, channel linking the Persian Gulf (west) with the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea (southeast). The strait is 35 to 60 mi (55 to 95 km) wide

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9041064?&query=strait


You should fact check before you talk.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

2 destroyers, a frigate, a corvette and a few patrol ships - they should all have at least basic ASW kit (and the destroyers and frigates should have helicopters that could be used for ASW).

If war broke out, those ships would be destroyed in the first few hours.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Take a look at a decent map, the terrain is totally different from Iraq, 2/3rds of the Iranian terrain is classed as mountainous, and (IMHO) a big problem will be that transiting from one part of Iran to another is going to have to either be done by road, which means sustaining the same kind of losses as the Soviet Union did in similar circumstances in Afghanistan (mines, landlsides, ambushes in passes etc) or by air, which makes them vulnerable to the vast Iranian stock of SAMs.
Fuck being a squaddie in that shit-storm.

We're assuming the Iranian army will have been decimated, and it will have become a guerilla war, are we?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yam will never walk the "path to glory" or slip on it's blood-soaked cobbles. Like his beloved president and the majority of the neocon members of the administration he has absolutely no intention of ever putting himself in harm's way. His extreme patriotism is strictly of the chickenhawk kind. Not for him the smell of shit, blood and gunsmoke, or the risk of losing life or limb.

Another 'you didn't sign up' post...

 

[rogue yam]

I'd rather not fly in a russian plane: they crash all the time inside the country. I'm not sure if Aeroflot has the world's worst safety record - I think that goes to some South American airline - but it has to be right up there.

I flew in a Russian plane once, in China, almost twenty years ago. We landed at night in a thunderstorm at a barely-lit airport in Kashgar. The plane was a piece of crap. Stupid and ugly, and nothing worked right. And it was LOUD! As we lurched and rocked in toward landing, numerous overstuffed overhead compartments sprang open and the contents cascaded down on the passengers and floor. Children and adults alike were crying and shouting and barfing everywhere. It was a deafening, reeking, chaotic bit of hell.

About ten days later, at a border station just inside Pakistan along the Karakoram Highway, the dozen or so Westerners on our five-bus, four-day caravan from Kashgar gathered for a mighty piss-up to celebrate our first night out of the People's Republic. We all told our commie nightmare stories. After nearly six months in-country I had a few, but I saved the Kashgar flight tale for last as it was truly the worst moment of the whole time. No other tale presented that night came close. I don't think I've ever since seen a Russian plane. I will certainly never again get on one. Pure shite.

 

[Idris2002]

I've flown aeroflot more recently, in the past six weeks in fact, and I found it to be perfectly fine, no different from any western airliner experience I've had.

The inflight catering isn't great though.

To get back to things military - anyone remember the case back in the 80s I think it was when a Mig pilot defected to the west bringing his plane with him?

At first there was considerable laughter at the fact that it was still using vacuum tubes in its electronics . . .but then someone pointed out that this meant it wouldn't be vulnerable to EMP attacks. . .

 

[ViolentPanda]

Another 'you didn't sign up' post...

Another one line nugget of crap and bitching from Johnny.

 

[ViolentPanda]

We're assuming the Iranian army will have been decimated, and it will have become a guerilla war, are we?

We're not assuming anything of the sort, Igor.

 

[friedaweed]

keep taking the meds yam

edited due to lack of sense

Yes, Iran has the option of committing suicide. But which rope they use matters little in the end. Yes, you all might enjoy a brief, delightful moment wherein you dip your hands in American blood and wave them over your heads, dancing and beaming. But then the American people will respond, at a time and in a manner of our choosing. As always. And the blood of the innocent, unavoidably spilled in the pursuit of the guilty, will be on your hands, as surely as it will be on the hands of the murderous Islamists you so depravedly encourage and abet.

Are you seeing the same shrink as renty