Iran: ISIS is American/Zionist plot
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hipipol
Peckham Wry
He's a bit like a snake oil salesman - "Seriously, it cures everything...."
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
its certainly not conspiraloonery to be aware that for some years now the Atlanticist powers have envisaged a redrawing of the Sykes Picot boundaries in the region . Repartition as the solution to various western created problems is openly bandied about as a tpoic among western media and commentators. ISIS received all sorts of assistance and training from those powers and lo and behold off they go and start redrawing the regions boundaries . To atomise problematic nations and carve them up into ethnic and religious enclaves as the western powers would like to see requires sectarian maniacs, not secular liberal democrats . As such they are natural allies for the job at hand .
just 4 years ago ISIS were washed up and averaging barely a dozen attacks per year in Iraq. Today theyve overrun one third of the country in the space of weeks, control oil wells and dams, have billions in the bank and more arms than they know what to do with .And dont seem to be slowing down at all. That hasnt happened without considerable help and assistance . Its inconceivable.
As regards the western bombing of them it will have very little effect. Next to fuck all .Even the western powers admit that . So that shouldnt be regarded as evidence theyre actually doing something the west dont want them to do r that the west have any intention of neutralising them. The west have very deliberately laid the foundations for an ethnically and sectarian atomised Iraq, its physical destruction as a national entity . And ISIS are simply finishing that job off
The benefit to the west and their zionist colony from all this is plain too see, the death of arab nationalism and strong arab nations and their replacement with smaller, weaker fragmented sectarian bantustans. By destroying both Syra and Iraq theyll ensure no strong Arab nation or leader ever poses a threat to them in the future. And for the wahhabist bantustans the future will be the 14th century .
just 4 years ago ISIS were washed up and averaging barely a dozen attacks per year in Iraq. Today theyve overrun one third of the country in the space of weeks, control oil wells and dams, have billions in the bank and more arms than they know what to do with .And dont seem to be slowing down at all. That hasnt happened without considerable help and assistance . Its inconceivable.
As regards the western bombing of them it will have very little effect. Next to fuck all .Even the western powers admit that . So that shouldnt be regarded as evidence theyre actually doing something the west dont want them to do r that the west have any intention of neutralising them. The west have very deliberately laid the foundations for an ethnically and sectarian atomised Iraq, its physical destruction as a national entity . And ISIS are simply finishing that job off
The benefit to the west and their zionist colony from all this is plain too see, the death of arab nationalism and strong arab nations and their replacement with smaller, weaker fragmented sectarian bantustans. By destroying both Syra and Iraq theyll ensure no strong Arab nation or leader ever poses a threat to them in the future. And for the wahhabist bantustans the future will be the 14th century .
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Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
his policy is give them bombs in Syria, drop bombs on them in Iraq. So plainly bombs fix everything in Obama lalaland.
I can't see that. Syria wasn't a threat to the west or Israel except that it helped Iran arm Hezbollah. Iraq hasn't been a threat to Israel since 1948. And despite what the Bush neocons said, Iraq was no threat to the west. It was Iran's main enemy.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
CR's posts always remind me of that famous Shane MacGowan story.
mauvais
on reddit or something
It really isn't inconceivable, and it really is conspiracy theory.
The US introduced a huge volume of arms and equipment into Iraq, and then it left it there in the hands of an ill-prepared force in a crumbling, fractious country with little allegiance at the sharp end and no backup even if there was. The US can't afford on any level to return, and so there's no danger of big brother wading back in in any meaningful sense. What did you expect to happen?
As soon as anyone came knocking, those people abandoned their bases and all of the infrastructure. That's why ISIS have a load of kit, a load of territory, strategic strongholds like the dams and oilfields, and can do what they like. The money is slightly more interesting but not enormously so.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
3 years ago ISIS barely averaged a dozen attacks in a year . Various actors have been knocking in Iraq ever since the invasion and occupation . None have remotely accomplished what ISIS have. ISIS had loads of fancy kit before they launched this offensive and seized more. Their people were also well trained in its use. They didnt accomplish it with a few AKs otherwise the Kurds would easily have seceded long ago .
The US Britain and their allies introduced large amounts of weapons, equipment, training and logistical support to these elements first in Libya and then in Syria, and political encouragement that made them confident of victory . That scenario is where these characters have emerged from. They didnt just come knocking one day. And they werent unforseen either, far from it .
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Here's something that deals with this nonsense quite thoroughly:
Shameless Cooke knifes Syrian people’s resistance to Assad/ISIS fascism
Shameless Cooke knifes Syrian people’s resistance to Assad/ISIS fascism
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
A good article, but it doesn't quite explain where ISIS got it's weapons and money from.
That doesn't need a leap to some conspiraloonacy about direct US funding to be of interest.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Superb article, well sourced
Bizarrely there is an op-ed article in the WSJ today that pretty much parrots this - saw the print edition, the website charges, have no link I'm afraid
hipipol
Peckham Wry
No, but it rather proves where it didn't
Two things at work here
Keen support from rich Wahabi peeps in Saudi, Kuwait, other gulf states to promote such a force - the Taliban grew this way, springing to prominence already well tooled up and trained. They are probably deluded enough, as were the industrial elite in Germany when they backed the NAZIs to think they will have some control. Very wrong
The US - recall Clinton handing over thick dossier to G Dubya about the threat posed by Al Q - totally ignored until 9/11. Obama obviously not in touch with reality. Not a conspiracy, incompetence and complacency
“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a JV team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,” he said. “I think there is a distinction between the capacity and reach of a bin Laden and a network that is actively planning major terrorist plots against the homeland versus jihadists who are engaged in various local power struggles and disputes, often sectarian.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...-Asks-White-House-if-ISIS-no-Longer-a-JV-Team
Two things at work here
Keen support from rich Wahabi peeps in Saudi, Kuwait, other gulf states to promote such a force - the Taliban grew this way, springing to prominence already well tooled up and trained. They are probably deluded enough, as were the industrial elite in Germany when they backed the NAZIs to think they will have some control. Very wrong
The US - recall Clinton handing over thick dossier to G Dubya about the threat posed by Al Q - totally ignored until 9/11. Obama obviously not in touch with reality. Not a conspiracy, incompetence and complacency
“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a JV team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,” he said. “I think there is a distinction between the capacity and reach of a bin Laden and a network that is actively planning major terrorist plots against the homeland versus jihadists who are engaged in various local power struggles and disputes, often sectarian.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...-Asks-White-House-if-ISIS-no-Longer-a-JV-Team
As likely as any other pattern in the misasmic swirl of alliances there. And at least as likely that the US has misread the swirl - through mere incompetence - as that anyone else has.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Patrick Cockburn is worth reading on ISIS (or IS) - see for example this article in the current issue of LRB:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n16/patrick-cockburn/isis-consolidates
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n16/patrick-cockburn/isis-consolidates
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
For anyone still buying this have a read of this and the links therein:
The truth about ISIS, 9/11 and JFK
The truth about ISIS, 9/11 and JFK
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