"IRA attacked RobertMcCartney's friend during loyalist-led riots"

[Dilzybhoy]

On the subject of huns as a term of abuse...
Pure pish.
I wear the badge of fenian bastard as one of honour.
When betting on the huns v tims game I write it as "tims to beat huns".
The source of tim is from the derogatative term of abuse for catholics..."Taigs"
I think.
I don't really care.
I for one would not grace the rev with the compliment of "hun".
Horrible wee orange bastard with as much credibility as Tam Pepper would be entirely accurate.
More succinct and efficient would be "cunt" or even better, "

"

 

[sihhi]

This thread has mutated into a discussion on Old Firm rivalry/Scottish sectarianism so this might be of interest:

http://www.cis.strath.ac.uk/research/publications/papers/strath_cis_publication_608.pdf

Also new email blockers:
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1855222005

Words that will cause e-mails to be bounced back to the sender include such traditional Old Firm terms of abuse as "Hun" and "Fenian".
The move has come in response to fears that office workers in Scottish companies may be vulnerable to sectarian abuse by e-mail from disgruntled members of the public.

As I see it "Hun" can be used in a very vicious way:
Even the Pat Finucane Center (which records stuff the other way) has:

The houses were opposite a wall daubed with anti-protestant sectarian graffiti, which read: "Kill all Huns. The only good Hun is a dead 1. Ardoyne IRA" (AN, NBN, CW)

http://www.serve.com/pfc/sattacks/aug03att.html

 

[revol68]

tha Pat Finucane centre is nothing but a front for britsh securocrat balck ops, sure everyone knows that, it was in the Andytown news and everything.



And im sorry being called an orange bastard from a part time plastic paddy is more a compliment.

You see as a child I went through an ill thought out left republican stage before quicky realising just how removed from reality it was, and has about as much theoretical creditiability as your average SWP member.

The fact i have exorcised myself of republican mythology to the extent im now labelled an orange bastard fills me with great pride especially when it comes from someone as knowledgable as you.

It's really great to see gobshites in Scotland keeping the good ole bigotry alive, with cunts like you hopefully we can see another 30 years of reactionary violence.

 

[Oxpecker]

tha Pat Finucane centre is nothing but a front for britsh securocrat balck ops, sure everyone knows that, it was in the Andytown news and everything.



And im sorry being called an orange bastard from a part time plastic paddy is more a compliment.

You see as a child I went through an ill thought out left republican stage before quicky realising just how removed from reality it was, and has about as much theoretical creditiability as your average SWP member.

The fact i have exorcised myself of republican mythology to the extent im now labelled an orange bastard fills me with great pride especially when it comes from someone as knowledgable as you.

It's really great to see gobshites in Scotland keeping the good ole bigotry alive, with cunts like you hopefully we can see another 30 years of reactionary violence.

You're a bit odd, aren't you? A stranger to reason, as it were. Not that you're daft or anything, because you're obviously the recipient of an education of sorts; it's just that you haven't the sense to pay attention to anyone else's opinions. Or read the links provided for you.

I've met loads of people like you propping up the bars in Kilburn and the Holloway Road; adopting a Belfast accent in the hope of attracting some impressionable youngster who you can regale with your stories of the lawless streets of the six counties. Or shouting out random sub-tabloid comments about the political situation in the hope that an Irish accent will lend your opinions the gravitas denied them by their inherent imbecility.

A few whiskeys later you'll be sitting in less than splendid isolation howling at the moon as other people try to attract the barman's attention without getting in reach of you lest you put your arm round their shoulder and contaminate them with your tears of self-hatred.

So you had a tough time in school. Get over it; you're a big boy now.

 

[revol68]

you moron I detest plastic paddies and all the irish fuckwits who go on about the troubles and the oppression etc etc. Perhaps you'd like to follow the deabte properly.

I was pointing out that hun is a term of sectarian abuse, it was dilzybhoy who was banging on about the brits and loyalist death squads etc.

Im didn't have a tough time at school at all, i had a few arseholes give me grief for being a taig but nothing substantial, in truth I found most prods to not give to fucks about the whole sorry mess. Infact i'd say my time at a prod school put paid to any daft romantic notions of republicanism i once entertained.

And yes Kilburn is full of Oirish gobshites banging on about 800 years of oppression etc which is one of the reasons i've no desire to go there.

 

[Oxpecker]

And that post ^ completely proves my point

 

[revol68]

and hows that exactly?

 

[cathal marcs]

you moron I detest plastic paddies and all the irish fuckwits who go on about the troubles and the oppression etc etc. Perhaps you'd like to follow the deabte properly.

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The world wont listen they are all gobshites maybe you should look in the mirror instead of sounding like the student union loud mouth

i also went to a prod school and was raised in a plymouth brethren household thankfully it made me a republican Although you son maybe your school should have taught you it aint big or clever to swear and insult folk nor does it give your opinions anymore substance.

 

[revol68]

Plymouth brethern is suppoused to denote geography or some sort of protestant sect?

If your from Plymouth I can but ask what has got you soo interested in Northern Ireland?

And excuse me if i snigger at a prick from Plymouth calling himself a republican.

And i'd hardly worry about the language it's my cultural identity and your just trying to oppress it like a typical anglo saxon.

Anyway fanta seems to take alot of shit on here, infact it was the cuntish attitude that Dilzybhoy has towards him that prompted me to ever make a comment on the north on Urban. Having watched the threads for a while before posting I was well aware of the choir of arm chair chucks. Of course fantas only a dirty prod so why should anyone listen to him, i mean he's basically a fucking fascist.

I mean if republicans can overlook nearly a million prods in Northern Ireland sure whats one more on the internet.

And they wonder why prods have adopted a Millwall attitude?

 

[cathal marcs]

erm there are numerous plymouth brethren in Ireland also they were formed in Ireland. Whats your point exactly?

 

[revol68]

never heard of it in my fucking life mate.

whats the significance of Plymouth then?

Im guessing your from the south if your a republican prod, funny enough republicanism hasn't exactly managed to reach out to many prods in the north, well unless you include car bombs.

 

[likesfish]

worked in kilburn strange place
no finer fun to be had than greeting the local UDA bloke with "a cheerful good morning paddy" do with a big enough smile and he's left wondering are you just a clueless brit or are you being insulting
though the army cook at a certain base who only served fish on friday that was shear class

 

[Dilzybhoy]

Erm. I never said anything on this thread about loyalist death squads.
And if you go right back to start of mine and fanta's relationship. You'll find that it was he who abused me first and has stalked me ever since.
He thinks he's that fella from the portadown news. He isn't. He can be mildly amusing on very rare occasions.
All I get from him is "what do you know about it dizzy/dozy/cunt your just a plastic paddie from comfy LANARKSHIRE in SCOTLAND."
Like I can't comment on anything outside Lanarkshire. No doubt my views on Palestine makes me a plastic Palestinian?
I wonder then if he'll just stick to views on London?
There is nothing you or your friend Fanta can say to me that will ruffle my feathers. So call me what you will...
My only input on this thread has been;
an answer to Fanta's plea for help,
a request for you to get Robert McCartney's name right,
my assertion that the term "hun" is not always a term of sectarian abuse because it depends on context. I know plenty huns who call themselves huns.


Anyway good morning to you all. I'm sober today and it's my day off.

 

[Dilzybhoy]

never heard of it in my fucking life mate.

whats the significance of Plymouth then?

Im guessing your from the south if your a republican prod, funny enough republicanism hasn't exactly managed to reach out to many prods in the north, well unless you include car bombs.

http://www.plymouthbrethren.com/
I always saw them as fundamentalist protestants. A bit like puritans.
Not keen on other sects and the like.
I certainly was never so thick as to assume that any one from a "Plymouth brethren" background was from Plymouth.
I've met brethren types and they had some pretty extreme views on other Christian sects. I don't think they were of the Plymouth variety though I'm not sure now.

 

[nacho novo]

Carrick Mad Squad.

You see as a child I went through an ill thought out left republican stage before quicky realising just how removed from reality it was, and has about as much theoretical creditiability as your average SWP member.

The fact i have exorcised myself of republican mythology to the extent im now labelled an orange bastard fills me with great pride especially when it comes from someone as knowledgable as you.

You've lost me wee man. You were once a republican, but now you're labelled as a Loyalist? As you know, I'm familiar with your town, I've had many a decent battle there, unfortunately there were no republicans present, so we had to make do with masty, nodds, porky and the likes, and same applied in Carrick too, especially in the Station bar. These guys let you loose on Larnes streets?

All the same, fair play to you for 'coming-out', as a born again Loyalist. I'm planning to be cutting through Larne real soon, I might just stop off for a beer and a fight.

 

[Oxpecker]

and hows that exactly?

Because you don't pay attention to what's been said to you in its entirety but pick up on certain words and respond with abuse. I don't have a problem with what you term "Oirish gobshites" in Kilburn; I have a problem with loud mouthed self opinionated gobshites of any nationality who believe that because they claim to be from Belfast (an unverifiable claim on a bulletin board) their opinion is worth more than anyone else's. I have a problem with people who believe that stating something loudly enough and often enough makes it true.

As posters say above, one's opinion isn't invalidated by dint of one's geographical location or accident of birth. I was born a Welsh methodist but for many years was a member of the IRSP. I have strong views on the situation in the six counties; these views may be coloured by my background but they are not made more or less valid by it.

fwiw I don't believe the term hun when used in the Old Firm context is sectarian, and certainly not in the context of a tag line.

 

[cathal marcs]

http://www.plymouthbrethren.com/
I always saw them as fundamentalist protestants. A bit like puritans.
Not keen on other sects and the like.
I certainly was never so thick as to assume that any one from a "Plymouth brethren" background was from Plymouth.
I've met brethren types and they had some pretty extreme views on other Christian sects. I don't think they were of the Plymouth variety though I'm not sure now.

They are indeed no tvs allowed and women have there hairto their waist

 

[fanta]

And if you go right back to start of mine and fanta's relationship. You'll find that it was he who abused me first and has stalked me ever since.

Don't flatter yourself dear boy.

Hats off to all who have ensured that the thread title is strictly ignored by the way...

 

[cemertyone]

They are indeed no tvs allowed and women have there hairto their waist

Well that makes a change from when their protestant fundamentalism ensured that every park in the city ( and much else besides) was closed on a Sunday because it was a " Sin against gods day". I remember even the "wee" park on the Falls Road and the larger one at the cemerty was locked and the kids swings padlocked no less, to ensure that kids didn`t have fun on gods day and this in a Catholic area, like we had to comply with their religious aspirations...The Paisleite faction of protestant unionism still thinks and acts in the same manner...you only have to go and listen to the man preech////

 

[fanta]

Shocking!

But what has that got to do with "IRA attacked RobertMcCartney's friend during loyalist-led riots"?

 

[cemertyone]

Shocking!

But what has that got to do with "IRA attacked RobertMcCartney's friend during loyalist-led riots"?

Not specifically linked..but i was just replying to cathal`s remarks thats all.....
and our kid its not like on the old occasion you go off thread yourself.....
do you wish me to comment on the thread then..more than happy to do so...

 

[TeeJay]

Why so much aggression? You'd almost get the impression that some people love fighting just for the hell of it, and if there wasn't an argument they'd invent one just so they could have a fight.

(This isn't aimed at anyone in particular - just wondering if there isn't some deeper "cultural" issue going on here, leaving aside any actual 'politics'?)

 

[bolshiebhoy]

(This isn't aimed at anyone in particular - just wondering if there isn't some deeper "cultural" issue going on here, leaving aside any actual 'politics'?)

I may be doing you a disservice here you don't think there's anything political about implying that the irish just have a 'cultural' attachment to violence?

 

[Pickman's model]

Why so much aggression? You'd almost get the impression that some people love fighting just for the hell of it, and if there wasn't an argument they'd invent one just so they could have a fight.

(This isn't aimed at anyone in particular - just wondering if there isn't some deeper "cultural" issue going on here, leaving aside any actual 'politics'?)

do you think before you post?

 

[fanta]

do you think before you post?

But what has that got to do with "IRA attacked RobertMcCartney's friend during loyalist-led riots"?

Keep it on topic please, or go back to one of your wanking threads.

 

[oi2002]

erm there are numerous plymouth brethren in Ireland also they were formed in Ireland. Whats your point exactly?

I had a grandmother in the Bretheren they're as sinister a bunch God bothers as you are likely to find.

 

[Pickman's model]

I had a grandmother in the Bretheren they're as sinister a bunch God bothers as you are likely to find.

although they do have a good side - a group who produced a mountaineer like aleister crowley can't be all bad.

 

[oi2002]

Why so much aggression? You'd almost get the impression that some people love fighting just for the hell of it, and if there wasn't an argument they'd invent one just so they could have a fight.

Well it's part of the Oirish cliche isn't it quaint, lovable folk, but rather too quick to anger and I'm afraid that idea is the foundation of the frankly silly views that you find in those not immersed in the cultures of Ireland and even some unreflecting Irishmen.

Actually if you look at the history there's been very little warfare in Ireland by European standards. The once better mannered English are notably more beligerent as a people than the almost quietist folk of Ireland. We do go in for awful lot of shouting and occasional outburst of what amounts to ritualized finely calibrated violence; it's part of the reason the Troubles or much more intense Irish civil war never came to resemble Bosnia.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I was born a Welsh methodist but for many years was a member of the IRSP.

When were you an IRSP member?

 

[TeeJay]

I may be doing you a disservice here you don't think there's anything political about implying that the irish just have a 'cultural' attachment to violence?

I'd be interested in knowing what people think about stuff like this:

"We know that the early Celtic societies were organized around warfare this structure would commonly characterize cultures in the process of migration: the Celts, the Huns, and later the Germans. Although classical Greek and Roman writers considered the Celts to be violently insane, warfare was not an organized process of territorial conquest. Among the Celts, warfare seems to have mainly been a sport, focussing on raids and hunting. In Ireland, the institution of the fianna involved young, aristocratic warriors who left the tribal area for a time to conduct raids and to hunt...

...The clan provided identity and protection disputes between individuals were always disputes between clans. Since it was the duty of the clan to protect individuals, crimes against an individual would be prosecuted against an entire clan. One of the prominent institutions among the Celts was the blood-feud in which murder or insults against an individual would require the entire clan to violently exact retribution."

http://www.lost-civilizations.net/celts-another-overview.html

Because as much as I would far prefer rational, materialist analysis of social conditions, economic realtionships, political ideologies and the like, when I read threads like this or see the annual riots/marchs/etc in NI on TV (the nearest I have ever got to Ireland) stuff like the snippets above always seems to capture the *flavour* of things so much better.

Of course it must be bollocks - Celtic culture essentialism stereotypes mythology blargh blargh etc - but I am genuinely interested in hearing what people on this thread think.