"IRA attacked RobertMcCartney's friend during loyalist-led riots"

[revol68]

Are you fucking serious!!!!!!!!

Hun is fucking sectarian you cock!

Did the people givng me a beating for being a hun lover mean it as a jovial jibe at Rangers fans?

When Kill All Huns (KAH) is spraypainted it is sectarian?

I suppouse Kill All Taigs is just a light hearted joke, eh?

Also reducing all Rangers fans from Northern Ireland to the scum who where picketting Holycross Primary school just makes you look very silly.

 

[Chorlton]

something has just struck me.... on each of revols posts he addresses points in one of my posts and in one of bolshies, all mixed up - bolshie are you scottish? becasue if so it would confirm my theory and lead me to believe that:

a) Revol is drinking. Heavily

b) revol has a piece of cardboard down the left hand of the screen to disguise the posters names

or

c) I am bolshie and this is some kind of weird Johnny Favourite / harry Angel or fight club type thing going on



either way this is one almighty walloper i am avoiding work to argue with....

 

[revol68]

well, you know how it is all you toytown nationalists seem the same to me, eyes closer together, init?

Well do any of you brothers dim fancy backing up your claim that "hun" isn't sectarian?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

either way this is one almighty walloper i am avoiding work to argue with....

That's beyond dispute! But no, Dublin boy me. No doubt that'll fuel his foul language generator.

 

[Red Faction]

hun isnt sectarian.
neither is tim.
they are used to describe followers of rangers and celtic respectively.
fenian is sectarian, as is taig, as is dirty orange bastard.
the term hun COULD be used to describe all prods, similarly tim COULD be used to describe all catholics
but that would be incorrect use of the word
you need to stop being so easily offended by words used innocuously on urban like hun which are used with the intent of causing ABSOLUTELY NO offence
clearly it wasnt meant with malice- it celebrates the fact that celtic are ahead of their arch rivals, the huns (not correct usage of the word.
similarly
if you are going to cry like a baby when someone makes an innocent comment like that
you can take a look at yourself and your own posting style
gratuitous abuse is against the FAQ

 

[Chorlton]

Well do any of you brothers dim fancy backing up your claim that "hun" isn't sectarian?

what, you mean with links and things?

links to rangers fans using the term to describe them selves and then helpfully defining the term for us?

dunno bout that

 

[revol68]

right so the term hun is not sectarian.

So what does Kill All Huns (KAH) mean?

I think if you bothered coming to Belfast, walked into a prod bar and started calling people huns you might be get an understanding as to the offence it can cause.

Again I ask you when I called people huns during my wee reactionary pseduo republican phase (i was 15 and at all prod school, so it's a bit more excusable) I wasn't being sectarian? Funny all the catholics I knocked about with knew hun was a sectarian insult.

 

[Chorlton]

So what does Kill All Huns (KAH) mean?

it means cuddle up and make some special time with supporters of Dundee united



fuck me your hard work

Again I ask you when I called people huns during my wee reactionary pseduo republican phase (i was 15 and at all prod school, so it's a bit more excusable) I wasn't being sectarian? Funny all the catholics I knocked about with knew hun was a sectarian insult.

No, You were bein a fucken fanny.


my, how you've grown up.

 

[Red Faction]

its in context you muppet

 

[Chorlton]

i don't believe that wikipedia is a definitve source, but interesting that it seems to side with what every other fucken person but revol is saying on this thread:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun

(click contemporary usage)

 

[revol68]

so you don't think that when celtic fans use the word hun alot of them do so in full knowledge of it's sectarian nature and with sectarian intent. I might accept that alot of niave arseholes in Sctoland might use the term innocently enough but you can't deny it's sectarian roots or the fact that northern catholics still use it as a sectarian insult, and furthermore a good few of the people at Celtic games are said northern catholics, and you part time paddie in Glasgow have picked it up off them.

 

[Chorlton]

you can't deny it's sectarian roots .

WHAT FUCKING SECTARIAN ROOTS??!!?!?!!?

you have yet to explain the words etymology, you have yet to define how it came about and how it is sectarian - you can do so with fenian, you can do so with taig - now please, for the love of all that is fucken holy - please explain to me how the fuck it is sectarian???

 

[revol68]

well considering it no doubt came to scotland vis a vis northern irelands sectarian strife.

But that is by the by, do you think that it's use in northern ireland is generally as a sectarian insult?

Also fenian could be denied as a sectarian insult if one wishes to reduce language to roots, afterall it was a self defining label by Irish nationalists. But we all know that it's use today is primarily as a sectarian insult.

 

[Red Faction]

put it in context you muppet
either do that or get some thicker skin
good grief!!

 

[Chorlton]

well considering it no doubt came to scotland vis a vis northern irelands sectarian strife.

no doubt?

revol because you say so, doesn't make things so.

but i would counter that it originally came from mongolia or therabouts - upon seeing the sacking of his city, the mayor of barcelona saw fit to make the comparison. He then went on to call them all a bunch of poddy hoors.

 

[revol68]

well in the context of urban it was during a debate with someone I would view as having sectarian or atleast bigotted views about prods in the north. The fact he thinks he's so fucking clued up on the 6 counties but doesn't even understand how hun is used in such a context and how it could be construed as offensive underlined for me his complete disregard for ulster prods. A disregard that runs right through all republican historograpy.

 

[revol68]

no doubt?

revol because you say so, doesn't make things so.

but i would counter that it originally came from mongolia or therabouts - upon seeing the sacking of his city, the mayor of barcelona saw fit to make the comparison. He then went on to call them all a bunch of poddy hoors.

and it;s roots in the Irish context would have nothing to do with the implication that prods are dirty invaders?

Are you soo fucking thick!

 

[Chorlton]

well in the context of urban it was during a debate with someone I would view as having sectarian or atleast bigotted views about prods in the north. The fact he thinks he's so fucking clued up on the 6 counties but doesn't even understand how hun is used in such a context and how it could be construed as offensive underlined for me his complete disregard for ulster prods. A disregard that runs right through all republican historograpy.

he didn't use it in the context of the thread.

its his tagline it is the same one that is used on his posts in football. Or suburban. Or transport - the only context in which it lies is that given by the words preceeding it "3 points ahead"

which i'll grant you is open to interpretation at least and possibly alluding to something far more sinister.


you however picked up on it in this thread. you, revol, the same one who thinks its sectarian... you.

 

[Chorlton]

Are you soo fucking thick!

<sighs> clearly.

off home now, can someone else play with him for a bit?

 

[durruti02]

sorry to be awkward, but although i casually use hun to decribe RFC ( though i only have limited experinces of them, as a group, at friendlies in london,where they were bad!! .. generally it is hard to see them as anything but union jack waving loyalists) ...


but to back up revol .. it is bleedin obvious that hun is not just what the mayor of barcalona said but another word for saxon .. a well known sectarian word .. the germans were called the hun in ww1 ... and i am sure the RFC were called huns before 72 ..

i hate the easy way that republicans use the word brit ( as an 'arthur-taff' )as well .. HM's troops be better be called huns/or saxons .. but of course that is stupid too ..HM recruits black kids from brixton and poor kids from the valleys to do her dirty work ..

and yid .. so many people use it and so little in london at least is yid as a term of abuse used that i think it is fine .. and anyway you can buy a paper in hackney called Der Yid ..

 

[nacho novo]

That's the claim from Robert McCartney's sisters and widow

Claim???

The ira have also taken the brave step to picket, or imtimidate, the partner of McCartney outside her home. A crowd of over 20 republicans stood outside her house leaving the poor woman cowering inside alone with her children.

There has also been a very similar murder case in Dublin which mirrors the McCartney murder. The intimidation and silence from sinn fein is almost deafening from Dublin too. I believe both families of these ira murder victims are due to meet up today.

 

[revol68]

Of course if the "Brits" had shot Mr McCarthy in the middle of a IRA action eg driving a JCB with a bomb in the bucket at a police station, we would of course be seeing them whinging about human rights abuses.

Seriously Loyalism might be dominated by psychopathic without an a level between them but they atleast generally spared us such blatant hypocrisy. Though it's noticeable that playing the victim card is becoming increasingly common amongst prods, though in truth they are completely shite at it.

 

[Red Faction]

Though it's noticeable that playing the victim card is becoming increasingly common amongst prods, though in truth they are completely shite at it.

well lets be fair
they havent had 800 years practise to perfect the role have they?

 

[revol68]

thats another fuckin bulshit myth!

 

[oi2002]

I don't find Hun offensive but then I always found both football and Scotland deeply absurd. But you do have to bear in mind that a majority of both populations in Belfast are so deeply bigoted that every interaction with the other side is informed by religous hatred. Given that when the big Sweaty teams clash we often have a pointless and obviously sectarian riot in Belfast it's a fair assumption that Hun carries a bigger sectarian charge in Belfast than in Glasgow.

Taig is a good deal worse than the still offensive Fenian but neither have the cultural weight of nigger hurled at a black American. Shinner is gentler than Fenian, and is lobbed at SF guys by unimpressed freestaters, both of course are synonyms for Republicans in Catholic usage. I don't know were to put Papist, Papish but like Mick I always took them to mean Godly Catholics. Paddie carries little heat and sometimes even affection unless it's on English lips in which case I'd compare it to Paki. Squaudies use the last two and bogtrotter indiscriminately about both communites which severly pisses of Prods. All ritual words of tribal identification. Both communities sandwich the their chosen word with fucking and bastard. In my experience Belfast Catholics are far less liable to use synonyms in name calling; the projectile vomited Prod is insult enough. However since my late teens I've been on good terms with the followers of the Chuch of Rome, have been abused rather less frequently by them and so I may lack the current vocabulary.

You have to learn to revel in negative sterotypes if you are an Ulster Prod, we are somewat less popular than the Nazis. They're not entirely baseless of course we are fairly short on twinkly eyed charm.

 

[Red Faction]

thats another fuckin bulshit myth!

 

[revol68]

800 years uninterrupted oppression is a bullshit myth.

 

[Red Faction]

its called banter

 

[Dilzybhoy]

As for Robert McCarthy well he was far from an angel but what outraged many people in the markets was the manner in which the IRA sought to cover it all up.

Try and get the fella's name right ffs

 

[Dilzybhoy]

...somebody help me out here, Dilzy? Pickmans? Cemy? Anybody?

No son, you need...