IPCC say 12 years to limit climate change

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by 8115, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. 8115

    8115 sitting down is bad for you

    The IPCC have said today that we've only got 12 years to act to prevent the climate warming by more than 1.5 degrees, which is at the low end of the goal set in the climate achievement. Can we do it? I don't feel hopeful. We haven't had the cultural change to lead individuals to take action and governments definitely don't seem to be acting. I remember when climate change first became big news, or at least I heard about it, in the nineties. We've now started to see more extreme weather events, which I think the science agrees are caused by climate change. I don't know what it will take for humankind to change.
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  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    3 words: we're all fucked
  3. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    12 years ties in with govts plan to get rid of petrol/diesel cars. That may have to be moved further forward.

    The only thing that ever works is taxing people through the nose and making things that cause it more expensive and the alternatives more affordable.

    Not going to happen in time with all the other shit going on.
  4. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

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  5. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    But with one hell of a suntan.
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  6. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    This is all very well but I think they should focus on dealing with police complaints rather than climate change issues.
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  7. 8115

    8115 sitting down is bad for you

    Well, we're not fucked. I saw something that was widely shared on twitter that was in response to a similar report and it said something like, "if I knew I had to go six times faster to escape a room that was setting on fire and about to flood, I'd be getting my running shoes on". That makes sense, yet, we're not.

    Is twelve years just not enough for the changes that need to be made? Or are there other reasons?
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  8. Jeff Robinson

    Jeff Robinson Well-Known Member

    What a time to have a climate-denying lunatic in charge of the whitehouse.
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  9. Humberto

    Humberto which shall devour the palaces of Bozrah

    To give them credit they have raised the alarm. But there is a significant obstacle of 'its all bollocks', a 'conspiracy', hand-wringers etc. How does your average voter get enough of a grasp of the facts/science and what do they do with it? I suppose the first step is getting more clued up, then trying to put more pressure on governments over the next few years. Top down solutions have been noticeably absent. If nothing changes (we carry on as we are) we are indeed likely heading for catastrophe.
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  10. 8115

    8115 sitting down is bad for you

    I think, reflecting a little bit own my own energy use, that maybe we also just don't know what to do. The invisible hand of the market pulls us to use and consume more at least from what I see around me in this developed country. Do we even know how to fight that?

    On another note, I loved what they said about "carbon unicorns" :) A bright note in otherwise dire news.
  11. bendeus

    bendeus Bellend Tagline Generator

    And another one lining up to go on an Amazonian slash and burnfest the minute he gets power in Brazil:(
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  12. Old Gergl

    Old Gergl Mountains of the antelope women

    My gf did a master's in environmental science a couple of years ago looking at climate change. Having looked at the evidence, she concurs.
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  13. stavros

    stavros Well-Known Member

    Any single party is electorally terrified of enacting the kind of policies which would start to make the necessary dent. This is a war scenario, so an all-party coalition is worth discussing.
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  14. 2hats


    Fear not. Runaway climate feedback loops and mass extinction events should do it.
  15. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    I'm reminded of a business mantra I heard once: "You can manage change. Or, you can be managed by change."
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  16. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    Isn't that technically 4 words?
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  17. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    unleash your inner pedant :thumbs:
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  18. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    I learnted from teh best:cool:
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  19. StoneRoad

    StoneRoad heckling from the back!

    There is very little guidance on what individuals can do to make a difference ...
  20. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Short of executing every oil company/ag conglomerate/plastics executive and their political enablers, the options are limited. Or, you could go spend the next 12 years doing nothing else but planting trees, I guess.
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  21. StoneRoad

    StoneRoad heckling from the back!

    I've planted several hundred trees &shrubs already !
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  22. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

  23. 2hats


    From the IPCC Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5 degC FAQ:
    “Improving energy efficiency in buildings and reducing consumption of energy- and greenhouse-gas intensive products through behavioural and lifestyle changes” … “diet changes away from land-intensive animal products”.
  24. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

  25. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist slowtime

    yeah I'm not sure a coalition of national unity or whatever s going to cut it either at this point tbf. Fuckin, this is some american senator:

    'Climate change is coming – fast. We must do more to stop it. I introduced the Climate Risk Disclosure Act to encourage markets to transition from fossil fuels to cleaner energy sources, and reduce the risks of environmental and financial catastrophe.'

    my bold. These people need head mounting on spikes
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  26. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    Pity burning at stake frowned on now
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  27. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Whatever it is, I'm against it

    There is no market-based solution to this, even with an unprecedented level of state interference to load the dice. Consumption must fall, and markets cannot allow that to happen.
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  28. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Whatever it is, I'm against it

    EU: no you can't have that hoover, it uses too much electricity.
    Also EU: of course you can have a domestic vehicle with a six litre petrol engine and a top speed of 180mph.

    This, in a nutshell, is why we're doomed. Every step taken towards sanity is taken on a train going about mach seven in the opposite direction.
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  29. nuffsaid

    nuffsaid But this goes up to 11

    Environmentally unfriendly things can get increasingly banned, leaving the market to step in with cleaner solutions.

    The market isn't all about consumption, it's about who's prepared to pay what for goods and services, it's about competition, so we can easily price dirty solutions out of the market if we wanted to. The trouble is the greedy buggers who own the oil industry also have the politicians in their pockets and so the dirty solutions aren't penalised anywhere near enough.

    Revolution or societal breakdown through environmental catastrophe...take your pick. Either way the planet re-balances, with or without killing a load of humans.
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  30. Yawn, another piece of scary Alarmist propaganda from the green lobby. Best ignored.

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