IOF; Top brass ordered civilians cluster-bombed

[newharper]

Meanwhile,

U.N. agency said Saturday that Israel laid mines in Lebanon during this summer's war between the Jewish state and the Lebanon-based Hezbollah group — the first time Israel has been accused of planting mines during the latest fighting.

A report by the U.N. Mine Action Coordination Center followed an investigation of a land mine explosion that wounded two European disposal experts and a Lebanese medic on Friday.

Later Saturday, the agency reported that a British demining expert who was trying to clear mines from the same area where Friday's explosion occured also was injured in a separate land mine blast.

The explosions were caused by Israeli anti-personnel mines placed in fields newly laid during the fighting in July and August in south Lebanon, the center said.

"This is the first evidence we have that the Israeli forces laid new mines in south Lebanon in 2006," the U.N. agency said in a statement.

Well thanks for that.

U.N. experts say up to one million cluster bombs dropped by Israeli aircraft during the July-August war against Hezbollah remain unexploded in south Lebanon, where they continue to threaten civilians. At least 24 people have died in cluster bomb explosions since the war ended Aug. 14.

an accident surely.

Later Saturday, the U.N. agency said a British deminer tasked with trying to clear mines in the village where Friday's explosion occured stepped on another land mine that detonated Saturday morning. The deminer, who worked for the British-based land mine clearing company BACTEC, had to have his foot amputated. The agency did not give the deminer's name.

Lebanon has long called for Israel to hand over maps of the minefields.

Moral high ground, pass the sick bucket.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1127-05.htm

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: LAbor only adopted a capitalist platform in 1980.

Of the Lemba, the words are their own. They express them quyite opften. They would be subjected to abuse? On what basis? WE have plenty of black skinned Jews here who suffer no such prejuidioces. The problem the Bene Yisroel found was due to their Scriptual Differences and it causing some concern about their innate Jewish ness...not their color. Please do look into it.

Naim Giladi? One of approxiomately 30 left wing nutters. So what? You forget Nino, my dad is/was Mizrachi. Any such prejudices fell away with shared military service in the 67 War. By 73 it was an anachronism.

Ah, I expected this bile, this screed. The Israeli Labour Party are social democrats, if anything. Social democracy is one of the worst forms of compromises.

Given that the Baghdadi Jews were treated as second class citizens when they emigrated to Israel, it stands to reason the Euros will regard them similarly. The Bene Israel also suffered discrimination...please don't deny it by crapping on about "scriptural differences", as this is only used to mask deep-seated prejudices.

You'll more than likely ignore this or try and lie your way out.

While free from the religious persecution they faced in Ethiopia, the Beta Israel now faces racism and a daily struggle for integration in Israel. This struggle was exacerbated in January 1997, when it was discovered that the Israeli government was automatically discarding blood donated by Ethiopian Jews out of a fear of acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). The discovery of this racist policy led to a protest by more than 15,000 Ethiopian Jews in Jerusalem and drew widespread publicity. Most Ethiopian Jews in Israel currently live in very poor segregated towns, with unemployment running well above the national average. More surprisingly, the Beta Israel has faced constant challenges to the authenticity of their Jewishness.

http://www.aaregistry.com/african_american_history/2384/Ethiopian_Jews_rich_past_rich_future

You don't want any of that nasty black blood - do you? It could give you a sense of rhythm.

You label Naim Giladi as one of "approxiomately 30 left wing nutters". That says a lot about you really. You're an extreme right wing nutter, so anything you say against him is likely to be some form of narrative.

 

[rachamim18]

NewHarper: The dates on the planting of mines is about a decade off. Do not believe the hype. As for clusters...where is the concern about the more than 1,000 missiles launched into Israel and undetonated?

Nino: The discarding of the blood did happen, and it was wrong. does bias exist? Sure. On an institutional level? Nope. I do not want any black blood? too late for that hahahahaha. You should see my family tree. The discarding of blood though was not because of their skin tone but because of African origin and AIDs.

 

[moono]

rachamim;

Do not believe the hype.

In the immortal words of that grand old classic, The Laughing Policeman-


Ahhh
ha ha
hya ha ha hya
hya ha ha ha ha

AAAHHH
hya ha
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hya hya ha ha hya

AAAAAAAHHHHHH
HYA HA
HYA HA HA AHHH
HYA HA HA HA HA

HYA HA
HYA HA
HA HA HYA AHHHHH
YA HYA HYA HA AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGH.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: The discarding of the blood did happen, and it was wrong. does bias exist? Sure. On an institutional level? Nope. I do not want any black blood? too late for that hahahahaha. You should see my family tree. The discarding of blood though was not because of their skin tone but because of African origin and AIDs.

I have only your word to go on regarding your 'family tree' and like most thing that you say on here, I suspect that is a lie too. You actually admitted that th discarding of blood was due to their skin colour - in not so many words. You said " because of African origin and AIDs", which means that because they came from the African continent, it automatically followed that they had AIDS. So white Israelis don't suffer from AIDS - is this what you're saying? And those Beta Israel whom Israel welcomed were then subjected to suspicion on the basis of their origin.

You sicken me.

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: I did not know they allowed young teens to be policemen. Wow, those Brits really ARE progressive. Congrads all around.

Nino: Of all people posting here, who has offered up the most personal information of anybody? From my real name which I post under, to my adress at home, my occupation and its location, to my army service and my details on rank, etc, to my children and my wife, now I would lie about my family tree? Actually, to my knowledge I have no black blood. However, my youngest sister Yardena, called Jodi as she is very assimilated, hjas a baby by a black American.Well he is not a baby now, a teen he is but you get the point. I also have Chinese, Korean [she is a newscaster on the NYC ABC affiliate], English, Italian, and of course my wife who is Bizayan [Filipina].ppose also since my three adult children are by a Yemeni Jew, they too have black blood. They certainly are darfker than most Ethiopian Jews.




Yes, white skinned Israelis DO have AIDs, but diagnosed for the most part. With diagnostic tools being what they are , there is no need for discarding of ther Bene Yisroel samples.
No, it was not skin color in the case of the blood but geographical proximity to the source of AIDS. In America they commonly refuse blood donations based on the same criteria and imagine the UK takes a similar stance.


I sicken you? No but I sometimes wish I could.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Of all people posting here, who has offered up the most personal information of anybody? From my real name which I post under, to my adress at home, my occupation and its location, to my army service and my details on rank, etc, to my children and my wife, now I would lie about my family tree? Actually, to my knowledge I have no black blood. However, my youngest sister Yardena, called Jodi as she is very assimilated, hjas a baby by a black American.Well he is not a baby now, a teen he is but you get the point. I also have Chinese, Korean [she is a newscaster on the NYC ABC affiliate], English, Italian, and of course my wife who is Bizayan [Filipina].ppose also since my three adult children are by a Yemeni Jew, they too have black blood. They certainly are darfker than most Ethiopian Jews.




Yes, white skinned Israelis DO have AIDs, but diagnosed for the most part. With diagnostic tools being what they are , there is no need for discarding of ther Bene Yisroel samples.
No, it was not skin color in the case of the blood but geographical proximity to the source of AIDS. In America they commonly refuse blood donations based on the same criteria and imagine the UK takes a similar stance.


I sicken you? No but I sometimes wish I could.

You can say what you like: the Ben Yisroel were, and continue to be, subjected to discrimination - in spite of what you say...or is it the cae you want to present israel as some sort of paradise where racism doesn't exist? Because if that's what you're saying, you're a liar and you live in a fantasy world.

I don't give a shit about your supposed background nor do I care which of your alleged family members are married to whom - it is irrelevant. It makes no difference to me who your siblings have married. All I know is that you are a liar and an apologist for racism and the continued brutality towards the Palestinian people.

Aye, you sicken me. To suggest otherwise, smacks of supreme arrogance.

 

[moono]

rachamim;

Moono: I did not know they allowed young teens to be policemen. Wow, those Brits really ARE progressive. Congrads all around.

Teens ? Brits ? Congrads ?

You've been on the confiscated hookah again.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: Israel is a country like any other country. Racism exists here, just as it exists where you live although I would imagine that we have less of it , and not just because of our smaller population. See, the glue that binds the Zionist state is Jewish Culture. Jewish Culture of course is thickly entwined with the Jewish Religion and our faith teaches us that we are to acceot all humans as made in the image of the Creator. In fact, the Bene Yisroel are judged to be remnants of the Tribe of Dan. As such, they have less non-Jewish blood than most other Israelis so it is really ironic if a Jew is discriminiatory against them. There other issues at play as well, their separation from the rest made them unawares of the codification of the Oral Law, many were forced to convert, much like Conversos, so that they then began intermarrying with true non-Jewish populations making their lineages all the more difficult to decipher and so on.

A good example would be the mother of my three kids here. She is Yemeni and darker than most Bene. She has never once experienced any bias related to her skin tone or origin. There ARE problems like the fact that EVERY P.M. has not only been Ashkenazi, but has been Yekke to boot. These things are changing. Not only with non Yekke Jews but wth out non-Jewish population as well. Arabs are still not allowed in the IAF. In the IDF there is a glass ceiling they face. The religious Jews exert way too much influence given their demographics, etc.,etc.

If you are looking for Israelisocial problems you do not have to look fat at all, but do not fabricate things Nino.


Moono: So you are NOT a British teen?

 

[nino_savatte]

Jewish Culture of course is thickly entwined with the Jewish Religion and our faith teaches us that we are to acceot all humans as made in the image of the Creator.

What's this about you and the Bible now?

 

[rachamim18]

As a man who was born a Chassid, I like almost all, began studying Scripture at age 3. At 16, upon entering the army [which ironically went on to have a religious unit in my battalion] I left that life alone and have never looked back...although my wife pesters me to be more obserevant.

 

[TAE]

What's this about you and the Bible now?

Surely you mean the Tanach.

 

[nino_savatte]

Surely you mean the Tanach.

Aye, I do...I just couldn't remember what it was called.

 

[Spion]

Israel is a country like any other country. Racism exists here, just as it exists where you live although I would imagine that we have less of it , and not just because of our smaller population. See, the glue that binds the Zionist state is Jewish Culture. Jewish Culture of course is thickly entwined with the Jewish Religion

Israel is not a country like any other. It has a racist entry policy (ie, Jews only and not the millions of Arabs ethnically cleansed from the land in 1947-48) and, as you say an exclusivist ethnic/cultural character, ie 'the glue that binds the Zionist state is Jewish Culture.'

The only reason you *may* have less racism among the populace is that the vast bulk of Israel's racism is directed outwards onto neighbours and former inhabitants. Having said that, I heard Israelis come out with the most vile racism during my time there.

 

[rachamim18]

Spion: Wow, really? What of the 300,000 Arabs who have enerted and became egal resdidetns since Oslo I? Hmmm...."The Jewish Culture binds the Israeli People/." Well, as Saudi Arabia is a Suna Arab satte. Israel is a Jewish State. Is Romania a Romanian state? Only when the Jews seek to have their own state does this become a unique roblem, amazing.

You have been to Israel? Mind if I ask when and where? And mind if I ask what vile racsm you encountered?

 

[G. Fieendish]

Re: Rachmim's last post
If you're seeking to define states by their dominant religion ,Rachamim, then using your definition of statehood, the last example you give, Romania, is Eastern Orthodox....:
Personally, I thought that Israel was a secular democracy, not the theocracy you seem/want to believe it to be.....

 

[moono]

He will claim it is a secular democracy whilst applauding 'internal laws' which victimise Arabs to the benefit of Zionists.

 

[rachamim18]

GFieendish: I have long maintained that Israel is a secula democracy. In fact, it is a liberal secular democracy. My labeling of Romania of course was in relation to its people, not its religious character. Romania has many religions [my mom havng come from Trans-Diniester halps me to have just a tad bit of familiarity with that little neck of the wooods]. I expect to see a reply from you explaining how I have yet again made a terrible mistake since T-D is actually in what is today known as Moldova, formerly Bessarabia, and so on. You still will not escape the point. Nationalism is alive and well in every corner of the globe. Jews are no more evil for desiring a restoration of their national homeland than any other similar group.


See? Even Moono has heard me say it enough although I am not sure what laws cxoncerning Arabs he/she is referring to since Arabs are subject to every law non-Arabs [in Israel] are , save for the Jewish Law of Return which does not even apply to citizens at all!

 

[moono]

Fleendish is right. You appear to want a theocracy whilst trumpeting secular democracy.
Scoundrel.

 

[moono]

Cluster bomb blast kills man, wounds another in S. Lebanon

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/797265.html


The United Nations and human rights groups have accused Israel of dropping as many as 4 million cluster bombs on Lebanon during the July-August war with the militant Hezbollah group. United Nations ordnance clearing experts have said that up to 1 million cluster bombs failed to explode and continue to threaten civilians.


Israel Air Force aircrafts and artillery killed more than 850 Lebanese, most of them civilians, during the conflict with Hezbollah guerrillas. Lebanon, a UN human rights agency and international rights groups have accused Israel of war crimes, though no formal charges have been filed.

Charges should be filed. The Zionists should be forced to clear up their own filth.
They are terror bombers by the million.

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: I understand your youth and this is why I continue to engage your posts. You know what a "theocracy" even is? Israelis the epitome of a liberal demcracy. As for the second post, yes Moono, we are all well aware of your blatant hatred of anything Israeli but let us try and actually have a matrure discussion of facts and subject matter, ok?

 

[moono]

What happened to your MEGAPHONE, rachamim ? 4 million cluster bombs a little embarrassing ?

 

[rachamim18]

Jokes upon jokes....Sad Moono.

 

[Spion]

Spion: Wow, really? What of the 300,000 Arabs who have enerted and became egal resdidetns since Oslo I?

Tell me about them. Got a link?

Hmmm...."The Jewish Culture binds the Israeli People/." Well, as Saudi Arabia is a Suna Arab satte. Israel is a Jewish State. Is Romania a Romanian state? Only when the Jews seek to have their own state does this become a unique roblem, amazing.

I don't like the idea of any state having laws which act discriminatorily against any ethnic/religious etc group. It's not a just way to dish out resources. So, Israel's not special in that regard. The difference is that you have a rather large number of people hoping to return to homes they were ethnically cleansed from. The way I see it is you can try and find easy ways or you can do as Israel does.

You have been to Israel? Mind if I ask when and where? And mind if I ask what vile racsm you encountered?

Kibbutzim next to the Leb border and near Petah Tikva. 'They are dirty' 'They fuck donkeys' 'They shouldn't be here' 'They just want to kill us' etc etc. Having said all that I met a lot of Israelis I had a lot of respect for. Some amazing hospitality by people had been through so much. It's a shame they've ended up in such a situation and it'll do them no good.

 

[ZAMB]

It doesn't have to be 150k it could be a plot of land, and a support package somewhere else. Some Arabs should be allowed back but not all.

This proposal reminds me of the famous '40 acres and a mule' and other such schemes which were proposed - but never carried through - by the US after slavery was abolished - as payment to the free.
Financial reparations won't work - and 150K is just an insult when you consider the suffering that the Palestinians - Germany has paid - and is still paying [over $61.8 billion] to a Jewish org. as reparations for the camps etc.

Since 1951 Germany has paid more than 102 billion marks, about $61.8 billion at 1998 exchange rates, in federal government reparation payments to Israel and Third Reich victims. In addition, Germans have paid out billions in private and other public funds, including about 75 million marks ($49 million) by German firms in compensation to wartime forced laborers, the Welt am Sonntag newspaper reported recently. These figures are based on calculations by the German Finance Ministry, the influential paper said.

Of the total, Germany has paid out 78.4 billion marks ($47 billion) on the basis of the 1965 Federal Restitution Law (BEG) to persons, especially Jews, who had been persecuted during the Third Reich era on the basis of race, religion, origin or ideology.

While most of those who were alive during the Second World War are now dead, in recent years Germany was still paying out some 1.25 billion marks (about $75 million) to 106,000 pensioners in Israel, the United States and other countries on the basis of the 1965 Restitution Law.

A substantial portion of Germany's reparations payments have been to the "Jewish Claims Conference" for Jews who had persecuted by the Third Reich. Recipients include former forced laborers and concentration camp internees, as well as individuals deprived of rights or property under the Nazis. Based in New York City, the Jewish Claims Conference (JCC) has operated for decades as a kind of supra-national governmental agency for Jews around the world.

Between 1992 and July 1998, the German federal government paid out 1.1 billion marks (about $647 million) to the JCC. During the first half of 1998, it made available 378 million marks (about $222 million) to the JCC in special one-time restitution payments for Jews who had persecuted by the Third Reich, according to a German government report issued on September 29, 1998. The JCC distributed up to 5,000 marks each to individual claimants.

In recent years Germany has paid out nearly 1.8 billion marks on the basis of special bilateral agreements concluded in 1991 and 1993 with Poland and three successor states of the former Soviet Union -- the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Belarus (White Russia) -- even though in 1953 Poland and the Soviet Union each renounced any further reparations payments from Germany.

Because there's no sign that German reparations payments will stop anytime soon, the Welt am Sonntag wonders if they might be "bottomless." In coming years, Finance Ministry specialists estimate, Germany will pay out an additional 24 billion marks (about $14.4 billion at a recent exchange rate) in Third Reich reparations.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n6p19_reparations.html

 

[Dandred]

Jokes upon jokes....Sad Moono.

So, the IOF didn't use cluster bombs on civilan targets?

 

[Dandred]

Jokes upon jokes....Sad Moono.

So, the IDF didn't use cluster bombs on civilan targets?

 

[moono]

Rachamaim won't deny that . What he'll claim is that it's legal.

Rachamaim is shyster first , man second.