Dandred: I do not know anything about you so I am at a loss to try and offer armchair analysis but to some of us other people in the world, our lands mean alot to us...even to the point of dying for them. I did work in America, made a decent nest egg but that is all I would ever wwant from that moral vacuum. My wife feels the same exact way.
You find it humorous when I describe Israel as "my land." Yet I do not see you offering any facts to refute this.
As for Native Americans, I am sure now that you have a problem with reading comprehension. I have said MANY times that Native Americans need and should get their rightful share in American largesse. Before the first European stepped ashore, the Natives had been here since time immemorial.
"13 Bedua girl shot ALLEGEDLY by IDF." IF she had in fact been shot while wandering onto a firing range whose signs are posted in Hebrew, Arabic, English, and now quite often in russian, who should be blamed? The IDF for posting dire warnings on land which it owns? I do not have any idea what you hope to gain by your question. All uninvolved people getting hurt is an extrem tragedy but this is what happens when people do not pay attention.
If a soldier DELIBERATELY shot her he should be executed although our code does not call for it.
Why would you call it ethnic cleansing? Plenty of herding permits ARE issued, farfrom live fire parade grounds. Israel has Arab statesmen, Arab soldiers, does not sound as if Arabs are being made to want to leave. Arabs, like any other Israeli, are completely free to leave our nation whenever they choose. They CHOOSE to be Israeli. Does that not answer your inane question?
Tangent: "Demographists are planning on removing [sic] another 500,000 charedim from the USA." Noone can "remove" anyone. People have to wish to emigrate and then apply to do so. While we have plenty of room for a half million from anywhere I am not sure you are realistically considering what you are saying.
Up to the present we are compelled to use "Guest Workers" because of a severe shortage in our labor pool. Even if half a million highly religious Jews came home , it is exceedingly unlikely that they would aim for manual labor. When they move, from America anyway, there are groups like "Nefesh B'Nefesh" [Soul to Soul] that helps them plan everything down to the tiniest detail, most definitely finances.
By moving to Negev, they would not be subject to any special financial incentives and it would not make much sense at all. In other words. They would have to be very solvent to make a move to Negev. If one was sufficiently solvent, why would one then opt for menial factory labor? It just makes no sense at all.
"Helping Jews escape anti Jewishness is only a front for these barons of industry who seek to reshape the face of the region." Sorry, there is no truth to that...at all.
"Cannot write Hebrew here anymore..." I never knew that we could? It would make things so much easier on this end.
Aldebaran: I am a college educated man. I was edcuated in Israel. I assure you that I have read my share of works dating from the Biblical period up until the present. If you care to name a book or two, chances are I have already read it. I just recommended Kinross' book on the Ottomans to another poster and am rereading, as always, Kimmerling and Migdal's "The Palestinian People," I would not imagine that you would have a problem with either but one never knows.
Instead oif making mad assumptions on people's education, the logical thing would be to actually make an inquiry first. I gladly answer all questions so feel free...but please do not ever make an assumption about me. As I have told you [I believe], Arabic is my first lanaguage and am now reading Rumi in an Arabic translation [does not do justice to his Farsi but I have not been able to master Farsi although I took it up at the same time I attempted Patan. Maybe soon].
As for "artifically constructed states," pray tell, which state in the entire middle east is not artifically constructed? At least Israel alone among them has an actual historic precedence [nope, not even Egypt can claim as much].Actually, just about the entire globe is arttifically constructed .
As for racist and ideological drenched nonsense, I only read as muchof that as I do of work by PIJ and HAMAS [and I do read both those]. All sides deserve examination if one truly hopes to reach the truth.
Then you suggest that Pakistan was some kind of Internationally approved upon endeavour. You are aware of course that Israel was ratified by the UN after half a century of deliberation, are you not?
"Targetting of Bedua in the Negev." Israel has never done any such thing. The only thing targetted is shoddy and unliscenced construction. Were Israel to simply act as if the problem did not exist and the rook fo a communal hall caved in killing 60 kids then you and yours would among the first to scream high bloody murder and institutionalised genocide. Instead Israel merely holds Bedua to the same standard as any other Israeli citizen and mandates that they must confrom with building codes and municipal charters. Imagine the nerve of those Zionists!!!
In the very early 50s Israel set about a massive building campaign in attempt to allow [not force] the Bedua of Negev and Galilee to accept a sedentary lifestyle. Most did. Domociles were free of charge as were healthcare facilities, educational facilities, and other acrrouments of infrastructure. there are only 2 tribes that have remained at odds over this program and one of them took it upon tmeself to erect their own village, whereas one had already been built for them some 40 years prior.
Israeli Bedua do not consider themselves to be Arabs, or if they do they proclaim themselves the "True" Arabs and sedentary Arabs to be the impostors. Other than trading the two demographics have had little to do with one another. Bedua insist on serving in the military and have done so with distinction. There was even a tribe at the very southernmost tip of Gaza which insisted on being evacuated when Israel ceded Gaza because they identified more closely with Israelis than with Arabs per se.
So...all this nonsense of "ethnic cleansing" is spread about by people who haven't the faintest clue as to what dynamic exists between Bedua and the State.
You find it humorous when I describe Israel as "my land." Yet I do not see you offering any facts to refute this.
As for Native Americans, I am sure now that you have a problem with reading comprehension. I have said MANY times that Native Americans need and should get their rightful share in American largesse. Before the first European stepped ashore, the Natives had been here since time immemorial.
"13 Bedua girl shot ALLEGEDLY by IDF." IF she had in fact been shot while wandering onto a firing range whose signs are posted in Hebrew, Arabic, English, and now quite often in russian, who should be blamed? The IDF for posting dire warnings on land which it owns? I do not have any idea what you hope to gain by your question. All uninvolved people getting hurt is an extrem tragedy but this is what happens when people do not pay attention.
If a soldier DELIBERATELY shot her he should be executed although our code does not call for it.
Why would you call it ethnic cleansing? Plenty of herding permits ARE issued, farfrom live fire parade grounds. Israel has Arab statesmen, Arab soldiers, does not sound as if Arabs are being made to want to leave. Arabs, like any other Israeli, are completely free to leave our nation whenever they choose. They CHOOSE to be Israeli. Does that not answer your inane question?
Tangent: "Demographists are planning on removing [sic] another 500,000 charedim from the USA." Noone can "remove" anyone. People have to wish to emigrate and then apply to do so. While we have plenty of room for a half million from anywhere I am not sure you are realistically considering what you are saying.
Up to the present we are compelled to use "Guest Workers" because of a severe shortage in our labor pool. Even if half a million highly religious Jews came home , it is exceedingly unlikely that they would aim for manual labor. When they move, from America anyway, there are groups like "Nefesh B'Nefesh" [Soul to Soul] that helps them plan everything down to the tiniest detail, most definitely finances.
By moving to Negev, they would not be subject to any special financial incentives and it would not make much sense at all. In other words. They would have to be very solvent to make a move to Negev. If one was sufficiently solvent, why would one then opt for menial factory labor? It just makes no sense at all.
"Helping Jews escape anti Jewishness is only a front for these barons of industry who seek to reshape the face of the region." Sorry, there is no truth to that...at all.
"Cannot write Hebrew here anymore..." I never knew that we could? It would make things so much easier on this end.
Aldebaran: I am a college educated man. I was edcuated in Israel. I assure you that I have read my share of works dating from the Biblical period up until the present. If you care to name a book or two, chances are I have already read it. I just recommended Kinross' book on the Ottomans to another poster and am rereading, as always, Kimmerling and Migdal's "The Palestinian People," I would not imagine that you would have a problem with either but one never knows.
Instead oif making mad assumptions on people's education, the logical thing would be to actually make an inquiry first. I gladly answer all questions so feel free...but please do not ever make an assumption about me. As I have told you [I believe], Arabic is my first lanaguage and am now reading Rumi in an Arabic translation [does not do justice to his Farsi but I have not been able to master Farsi although I took it up at the same time I attempted Patan. Maybe soon].
As for "artifically constructed states," pray tell, which state in the entire middle east is not artifically constructed? At least Israel alone among them has an actual historic precedence [nope, not even Egypt can claim as much].Actually, just about the entire globe is arttifically constructed .
As for racist and ideological drenched nonsense, I only read as muchof that as I do of work by PIJ and HAMAS [and I do read both those]. All sides deserve examination if one truly hopes to reach the truth.
Then you suggest that Pakistan was some kind of Internationally approved upon endeavour. You are aware of course that Israel was ratified by the UN after half a century of deliberation, are you not?
"Targetting of Bedua in the Negev." Israel has never done any such thing. The only thing targetted is shoddy and unliscenced construction. Were Israel to simply act as if the problem did not exist and the rook fo a communal hall caved in killing 60 kids then you and yours would among the first to scream high bloody murder and institutionalised genocide. Instead Israel merely holds Bedua to the same standard as any other Israeli citizen and mandates that they must confrom with building codes and municipal charters. Imagine the nerve of those Zionists!!!
In the very early 50s Israel set about a massive building campaign in attempt to allow [not force] the Bedua of Negev and Galilee to accept a sedentary lifestyle. Most did. Domociles were free of charge as were healthcare facilities, educational facilities, and other acrrouments of infrastructure. there are only 2 tribes that have remained at odds over this program and one of them took it upon tmeself to erect their own village, whereas one had already been built for them some 40 years prior.
Israeli Bedua do not consider themselves to be Arabs, or if they do they proclaim themselves the "True" Arabs and sedentary Arabs to be the impostors. Other than trading the two demographics have had little to do with one another. Bedua insist on serving in the military and have done so with distinction. There was even a tribe at the very southernmost tip of Gaza which insisted on being evacuated when Israel ceded Gaza because they identified more closely with Israelis than with Arabs per se.
So...all this nonsense of "ethnic cleansing" is spread about by people who haven't the faintest clue as to what dynamic exists between Bedua and the State.
