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MC5 said:
I once consulted with a SWP full-timer. He stated quite clearly that taking up a supervisory, or managerial position, with powers to hire and fire, whilst holding party membership was unacceptable.
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Ah, but does it count if the final letter of termination is signed by the head of HR rather than the "comrade" manager who'se decided to find fault with their junuior colleague's performance? I.E; if they haven't technically been the ones to fire them?
 
MC5 said:
I once consulted with a SWP full-timer. He stated quite clearly that taking up a supervisory, or managerial position, with powers to hire and fire, whilst holding party membership was unacceptable.
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... except within 'The Party' itself, obviously - or maybe the "hire and fire" clause is the let-out. 'Party' full-timers don't actually employ or sack anyone.
 
Fisher_Gate said:
So where does that leave the Central Committee members? Hypocrites? They told Rob Hoveman to resign his job with Galloway and that he would be employed by the SWP instead (he has a family to support).

That sounds like "powers to hire and fire" to me.
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dear god thats a piss poor argument!

Technically, the CC are elected you know, by their members. A somewhat different position to your average boss, isn't it?

I'm sure many members of the Farce International you half-heartedly support have done much the same thing
 
poster342002 said:
Ah, but does it count if the final letter of termination is signed by the head of HR rather than the "comrade" manager who'se decided to find fault with their junuior colleague's performance? I.E; if they haven't technically been the ones to fire them?
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People get fired for all kinds of things. I've fired someone (technically 'chaired a disciplinary hearing that resulted in a dismissal decision') for violence in the workplace against fellow workers. The trade union and all the other workers applauded it.

The sacked worker, who was already on a final written warning for misconduct, had a full hearing where they were given every opportunity to apologise or put forward mitigating circumstances and call witnesses in their defence. They also had a union representative to ensure they were not mistreated. They were given a month's pay as well. Many of the workers who witnessed their violent and dangerous anti-social behaviour and appalling sexist treatment of fellow workers, considered they got off lightly without a criminal record, and their union rep congratulated me on the exemplary way the case was handled.
 
belboid said:
dear god thats a piss poor argument!

Technically, the CC are elected you know, by their members. A somewhat different position to your average boss, isn't it?

I'm sure many members of the Farce International you half-heartedly support have done much the same thing
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I don't think we live in a socialist society, therefore I don't have a problem with hiring and firing.
 
is that why you aren't in the ISG then fisher gate? Cos you're a bit of a boss? You sure sound like one,
 
Fisher_Gate said:
People get fired for all kinds of things. I've fired someone (technically 'chaired a disciplinary hearing that resulted in a dismissal decision') for violence in the workplace against fellow workers. The trade union and all the other workers applauded it.

The sacked worker, who was already on a final written warning for misconduct, had a full hearing where they were given every opportunity to apologise or put forward mitigating circumstances and call witnesses in their defence. They also had a union representative to ensure they were not mistreated. They were given a month's pay as well. Many of the workers who witnessed their violent and dangerous anti-social behaviour and appalling sexist treatment of fellow workers, considered they got off lightly without a criminal record, and their union rep congratulated me on the exemplary way the case was handled.
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That's NOT the type of scenario I was thinking of and I suspect you know that.
 
poster342002 said:
Ah, but does it count if the final letter of termination is signed by the head of HR rather than the "comrade" manager who'se decided to find fault with their junuior colleague's performance? I.E; if they haven't technically been the ones to fire them?
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proper dope.
 
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poster342002 said:
Well, do you have members of the SWP who hold management positons with the capacity to get people sacked via the corporate performance-management systems in the workplace or not?
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Traditionally the SWP has recruited heavily in universities, long before just anyone could apply to be a student. Even if not bosses exactly, it is not surprising many members have worked their way up the career ladder into positions of power over others. Although most probably just left the party when they realised they could not reconcile their politics and personal position. Either that or they just grew up.
 
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