Interpreting Ahmadinejad's latest ravings

[Johnny Canuck3]

What I'd quite like to achive is to demonstrate to those with 'simple minds' a simple truth.

Perhaps you would like to compare, for example, JC2's regurgitations of crass, jingoistic propaganda with the post of mine that he is now piteously whinging about.

My post - while admittedly lacking a witty comment from myself - is designed to convey a single piece of information, namely that: Mr Taheri (the author of the crass, jingoistic propaganda in the O/P) is a member of Benador Associates, a Public Relations firm.

The second piece of text contained therein elucidates the reader as to the nature of this PR firm, specifically their role in disseminating crass, jingoistic propaganda in the media.

If you cannot spot the difference, the problem is not mine.


JC2's mission here is quite clearly the same as that of Benador: to promote crass, jingoistic propaganda. He also performs a role in preventing the establishment of consensus regarding many stark, simple truths. This is achived by his constant striving to drive discussions off at irrelevant tangents if they ever show signs of solidifying into a consensus that puts the lie to whatever crass, jingoistic propaganda he is serving up that day. I must admit he is very effective in this.

The fact that you, Spring-peeper, appear to think that JC2's reaffirmation of his desire that the staff and patients of an Iraqi hospital be summarily executed is OK merely because he tagged a mawkish appeal to emotion on the end of it speaks volumes about his effectiveness on you.

No, what's happened here is that I've pointed out that you and I did the exact same thing, ie we both put up 'link only' posts without comment; but when I did it, the hounds started baying.

Because my post has hit a nerve, you're attempting to save a little face by dredging up a post made by me three years ago, at the beginning of the war. My view seems extreme, in hindsight, and you're hoping to denigrate me in the eyes of current readers.

In other words, you're responding to current criticism with a name calling, ad hominem attack based on some old news.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Also, chances are good that you've posted up your share of boneheaded comments on this board.

The difference is that I can't cite them chapter and verse, because I haven't kept a compendium of all your posts like some sort of anal-retentive schoolboy.

 

[friedaweed]

Also, chances are good that you've posted up your share of boneheaded comments on this board.

The difference is that I can't cite them chapter and verse, because I haven't kept a compendium of all your posts like some sort of anal-retentive schoolboy.

Your chalfonts playing up JC?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Your chalfonts playing up JC?

No: how's the gout?

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Aw. Poor, hurt ickle Johnny.

My view seems extreme, in hindsight

Your views 'seem extreme' - barbaric, even - without much need for 'hindsight'.

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...Anyway, back to crass propaganda: For the latest breaking 'news' on puppy gassings, incubator overturnings or 'heroic' feats of derring-do, check out Eleana Benador's choice.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Aw. Poor, hurt ickle Johnny.

Your views 'seem extreme' - barbaric, even - without much need for 'hindsight'.

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...Anyway, back to crass propaganda: For the latest breaking 'news' on puppy gassings, incubator overturnings or 'heroic' feats of derring-do, check out Eleana Benador's choice.

Weren't you one of the 'they deserved it' crowd, back in the discussions of the WTC?

My memory's not that short, you see.

 

[spring-peeper]

What I'd quite like to achive is to demonstrate to those with 'simple minds' a simple truth.

Perhaps you would like to compare, for example, JC2's regurgitations of crass, jingoistic propaganda with the post of mine that he is now piteously whinging about.

My post - while admittedly lacking a witty comment from myself - is designed to convey a single piece of information, namely that: Mr Taheri (the author of the crass, jingoistic propaganda in the O/P) is a member of Benador Associates, a Public Relations firm.

The second piece of text contained therein elucidates the reader as to the nature of this PR firm, specifically their role in disseminating crass, jingoistic propaganda in the media.

If you cannot spot the difference, the problem is not mine.


JC2's mission here is quite clearly the same as that of Benador: to promote crass, jingoistic propaganda. He also performs a role in preventing the establishment of consensus regarding many stark, simple truths. This is achived by his constant striving to drive discussions off at irrelevant tangents if they ever show signs of solidifying into a consensus that puts the lie to whatever crass, jingoistic propaganda he is serving up that day. I must admit he is very effective in this.

The fact that you, Spring-peeper, appear to think that JC2's reaffirmation of his desire that the staff and patients of an Iraqi hospital be summarily executed is OK merely because he tagged a mawkish appeal to emotion on the end of it speaks volumes about his effectiveness on you.

I remember the Iraq crisis very well. I had joined shortly after 911.

Canada was split as to whether or not we should be following the US and the UK into this mess. My country was divided - I held one view, JC held the other. I'm not too sure where you are from, but for us it was an emotional time.

JC's belief in the accuracy of the US and Canadian media was in error. He was not the only one on this planet to fall for the US propaganda machine.

Does an error in judgement three years ago is enough to condemn a man around here?

Stupid question - of course it is!!! This is U75!!!

No second chances, no chance for redemption!!!

We all know that no-one opinions really change, do they? Once a <insert label>, always a <insert label>, right?

Hey, this is world politics. Here we discuss stereotypes!!! Everyone stay in their nice little box now. No straying!!!

Woohoo!!!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

JC2's mission here is quite clearly the same as that of Benador: to promote crass, jingoistic propaganda. He also performs a role in preventing the establishment of consensus regarding many stark, simple truths.

Dude, if there's one thing that there's plenty of around here, it's concensus. And the fact that you believe in such things as 'stark simple truths' when it comes to matters of politics, just goes to show how much you need me here. Otherwise, you'd be in danger of your head ossifying into one single solid chunk of bone.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

I remember the Iraq crisis very well. I had joined shortly after 911.

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you wanna explain who you were before then...

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

JC's belief in the accuracy of the US and Canadian media was in error. He was not the only one on this planet to fall for the US propaganda machine.

Johnny's belief in and constant reguritation of the crass, hysterical, warmongering propaganda is always in error.

It's one thing to 'fall for' jingostic propaganda, it's something entirely different to be a full-time conduit for it.

He's had 35,000+ chances to redeem himself - and failed. Is still failing. Take a day off, Johnny.

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- Some of Amir Taheri's latest insane ravings (this time on why 'regime change' is such a splendid idea) can be found here: http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19463

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Weren't you one of the 'they deserved it' crowd, back in the discussions of the WTC?

My memory's not that short, you see.

What is this? A feeble attempt to project your own bloodlust onto me?

Presumably you'll be backing that up with a quote and link, just so we can gauge the reliability of your 'not so short' memory.

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More wisdom from Amir Taheri this morning - this time he explores the question 'Why does the Islamic Republic want a nuclear arsenal?' in a mindbending myopic stylee... all of which leads him to conclude that:

The options are clear. One is to let the Khomeinist regime dominate the region and use it as the nucleus of an Islamic superpower which would then seek global domination. The other is to go for regime change in Tehran as a strategic goal.

http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2006/april-2006/iran_us_nuclear_24406.shtml

Nice use of the word 'nucleus', what?

 

[muser]

When he talks about ZIONISM, he's talking about POLITICAL IDEOLOGY that's secular, and has both Jewish and Christian supporters. When he talks about Zionism being on it's last legs, he's not far wrong. Much of the old Revisionist Zionist War propaganda about the founding of the State of Israel, and it's impact on Palestinian indigenous population was fabricated to perpetuate the slogan that here was a Land without a People, just waiting to be colonised by anyone fitting the immigration criteria, has been blasted out of the water for the thin propaganda that it was, largely serving a US audience. Post-Zionist historians have begun to redress the historical record, but this is by no means complete.

Zionism gives someone born in New Jersey, the right to settle in Israel by nature of being born to a Jewish mother, from anywhere in the world. Whereas a Palestinian born in what is now Israel, but who was driven out in the Nabqa of Israel's Founding, have no rights to return, regardless of whether they have the keys to their property, deeds or some other proof of land-owner or tenants' rights to their land. Zionism is on it's last legs, since a hugh proportion of world jewry, whilst supporting Israel, are absolutely aghast at it's treatment of it's Palestinian neighbours. For every relations-damaging public statement made by some Jewish elder or other, there are 40 of us, quietly going about our business in the Diaspora, who would gladly give their 'Right of return to someone who was actually lived there - a Palestinian refugee for instance!
To give you some idea of the division of opinion on Zionsim, a debate at Cambride on 16th February 2006 found 'This House believes that Zionism is a danger to the Jewish people'. The motion was carried by 125 AYE to 121 NO and 71 abstenstions.
That's over half who believe that 'Zionism has had it's day' and there's plenty of post-Zionists in Israel too, it's not a purely Diaspora thang.

I found this fascinating, may I ask Johnny Cannuck's opinion about those speakers from Jews for justice for palestine.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What is this? A feeble attempt to project your own bloodlust onto me?

Presumably you'll be backing that up with a quote and link, just so we can gauge the reliability of your 'not so short' memory.

What it is, is me dredging up old arguments, old discussions, as you seem prepared to do to me whenever you feel like it.

Like I said, I don't have a link, because I don't catalogue your posts from the pasts like an anal retentive schoolboy.

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

You 'don't have a link' because your transparent, feeble attempt to project your own well documented bloodlust onto me by suggesting that I was 'one of the 'they deserved it' crowd, back in the discussions of the WTC' is without factual basis.

...as is most of the crass propaganda you vomit up.

We save it all, Johnny. You know that.

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Wanna come to my Bar-B-Que?

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Here's some more bullshit hysterical warmongering propaganda that's oozed out over the past couple of days:

ABC: Iran President: U.N. Lacks Guts To Impose Sanctions

HK Standard: Defiant Iran in threat to quit nuclear treaty

UK Indy: Iranian President insists 'Israel cannot continue to live'

...all talking about the same speech.

If you read the Indy article, it becomes apparent that what he actually said was "We say that this fake regime cannot logically continue to live."

So our media would appear to be conflating statements about the Israeli regime with Israel itself, which changes the meaning somewhat.

I mean, I might make the same observation (quite accuately I might add) about any number of Governments of 'Western' countries - but that wouldn't mean that I wished ill upon the populations of such countries. Quite the opposite.

The hysterical propaganda masquerading as 'news' in the Indy preceded the 'quote' (c/w the word 'regime' that was omitted from the headline) with:

Mr Ahmadinejad has drawn fierce criticism in the West for comments last October that cast doubt on the Holocaust and for saying that Israel should be "wiped off the map".

So I had to ask myself - in light of the omissions and distortions already noted - Did he really say that? A quick skim through this:

Does Iran's President Want Israel Wiped Off The Map - Does He Deny The Holocaust? - An analysis of media rhetoric on its way to war against Iran - Commenting on the alleged statements of Iran's President Ahmadinejad .

...can only lead to the conclusion that NO, HE DID NOT.

I getting sick of crass, hysterical, warmongering propaganda. Anyone know a good Iranian news site?

 

[nino_savatte]

What it is, is me dredging up old arguments, old discussions, as you seem prepared to do to me whenever you feel like it.

Like I said, I don't have a link, because I don't catalogue your posts from the pasts like an anal retentive schoolboy.

Projection, Johnny?

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Anyone know a good Iranian news site?

Here's the Iranian coverage of the same speech as the articles above:

Iran Wants Peace, Stability For All
Fair Distribution Of Wealth a Priority

TEHRAN, April 24--President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday Iran wants peace and stability for all citizens of the world and its message to the planet is to abide by the culture of the divine prophets.
Addressing an international press conference, the chief executive noted that Iran does not trust the American government, which essentially has no powers, but wants everybody else to accept its hegemony, IRNA reported.
“The Iranian nation has lost trust in the US government because of its previous attitude and this is why we will not negotiate with them,“ he said.

Asked about his views regarding Jews, he said that Jews have the right to live freely and with security like all other people.
He explained that Jews came to Palestine from all over the world because of the anti-Semitism pursued by the West, which should “allow Jews to return to their countries of origin“.

Defending the performance of his administration in the past eight months, Ahmadinejad said he has guided banking resources toward industries and profit-making corporations.
“Establishment of supportive funds and reduction of the bank profit rate were in line with the policy of generating new jobs. For fulfillment of justice, banking and investment resources should be distributed at the national level in a fair manner and this was done last year,“ he said.
The president noted that for the first time in the past decade, 80 percent of the 2006-7 budget were allocated to development projects.

The president reiterated that Iran is a nuclear power and has access to all aspects of nuclear technology, which it will utilize in different sciences.
“All our nuclear activities are carried out openly and this is the best proof of the peaceful nature of our nuclear activities,“ he said.
The president emphasized that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) must act in a fair manner and report to the world what it has given Iran after 30 years of membership in the agency.
“If a country joins an international institution and does not gain anything while the wishes and demands of a few global powers are imposed on it, won’t people doubt the necessity of this membership? Iran does not accept the dual standards pursued by the agency,“ he said.

Ahmadinejad stressed that Iran is opposed to all types of chemical, biological, nuclear and non-nuclear weapons and considers them contradictory to the culture of divine prophets and harmful for the international community.
Addressing the American and British statesmen, Ahmadinejad said, “The Iranian government and people advocate sustainable peace and not imposed peace. Why do you use sections of the mass media under your control to introduce each and every person who exposes your wrongdoings as a criminal?“
He said, “I am a teacher and I love peace. Up to this day, I have not harmed anybody in my life.“

The president stressed that the era of relying on weapons and military arsenals is over and the contemporary period is marked by intellectualism, literature and culture.
Asked how he could continue to promote justice in Iran if economic sanctions are imposed, he noted, “First of all, I think that it is a remote possibility that the West would adopt this imprudent measure. Even the two or three countries that are opposed to us are wise enough not to make such a grave mistake. The point is that they (the West) will suffer the most, if they create restrictions for us. Today, our nation is strong. Our economic foundations are also strong. This is our own accomplishment and we do not owe it to them.“

Commenting on an Israeli newspaper’s report regarding the Zionist plot to assassinate him, he said, “Assassinating me does not resolve Israel’s problem. If you think that all problems will go away by assassinating me, you should understand that I am the smallest member of the Iranian society, which has a population of 70 million.“

Ahmadinejad also lambasted the international community’s silence regarding this claim.

http://www.iran-daily.com/1385/2545/html/

Slight difference, eh?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You 'don't have a link' because your transparent, feeble attempt to project your own well documented bloodlust onto me by suggesting that I was 'one of the 'they deserved it' crowd, back in the discussions of the WTC' is without factual basis.

...as is most of the crass propaganda you vomit up.

We save it all, Johnny. You know that.

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Wanna come to my Bar-B-Que?

Did you think they deserved it?

The US, that is.

 

[frogwoman]

Here's the Iranian coverage of the same speech as the articles above: http://www.iran-daily.com/1385/2545/html/

Slight difference, eh?

however, having said that, the iranian version may not be any truer than the US's.

you know what they say about war and the truth.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Did you think they deserved it?

The US, that is.

Dude!

Whaddya say?

 

[vimto]

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you wanna explain who you were before then...

Hmmmm...strokes chinny chin chin

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Did you think they deserved it?

The US, that is.

Nice try.

If you're that interested in what I think regarding the events of 11th September 2001, start a thread.

What I say is this:

JC2's mission here is quite clearly the same as that of Benador: to promote crass, jingoistic propaganda. He also performs a role in preventing the establishment of consensus regarding many stark, simple truths. This is achived by his constant striving to drive discussions off at irrelevant tangents if they ever show signs of solidifying into a consensus that puts the lie to whatever crass, jingoistic propaganda he is serving up that day. I must admit he is very effective in this.

Cook my socks, 'Johnny Canuck'.

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Elanor Benador's favoured crass hysterical warmongering propagnda turd-ball of the day is:

Perfect timing for local militants to strike

Brian Whitaker
Tuesday April 25, 2006
The Guardian

Just one day after Osama bin Laden issued another chilling message, last night's bombings in Egypt will inevitably revive the suspicions voiced by Washington that al-Qaida tapes sometimes contain coded instructions for terrorists.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/egypt/story/0,,1760842,00.html - http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19467

 

[tangentlama]

historical revisionism in the making

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Nice try.

If you're that interested in what I think regarding the events of 11th September 2001, start a thread.

What I say is this:


Cook my socks, 'Johnny Canuck'.

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Elanor Benador's favoured crass hysterical warmongering propagnda turd-ball of the day is: http://www.guardian.co.uk/egypt/story/0,,1760842,00.html - http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19467

Your refusal to answer confirms my suspicions.

Why start a thread, when the topic has been discussed ad nauseum?

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Whatever. Your mission is transparent. Ahmadinejad's Euro trading oil bourse is apparently going to open soon - haven't you got shopping to do?

Talking of suspicions...

I remember the Iraq crisis very well. I had joined shortly after 911.

spring-peeper
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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you wanna explain who you were before then...

Well?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Whatever. Your mission is transparent. Ahmadinejad's Euro trading oil bourse is apparently going to open soon - haven't you got shopping to do?

Talking of suspicions...





Well?

It's allright they snet me a shitty pm telling me they were a previously banned poster ... triple m....

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Whatever. Your mission is transparent.

Yes. My mission. Right.

 

[vimto]

It's allright they snet me a shitty pm telling me they were a previously banned poster ... triple m....

So who was this previously banned poster triple m then? Anybody remember?