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planetgeli

There's no future in England's dreaming
...because the cricket threads are a bit parochial.

This thread is for discussion of any international matches - which may or may not involve England.

Let's start with Sri Lanka v India in Galle today, where on day one India are threatening to set a new world record for runs scored in a day. Not that I know what that record is but they are currently 280-2 after 54 overs though Dhawan has just got out for 190.

And it's a good thing Sri Lanka are getting hammered. Because of this.

Galle's covered exterior sparks spectator displeasure

Galle is a lovely ground, surrounded about 2/3 by a road from which spectators have always been able (mostly always anyway) to view the cricket through a fence for free. Sri Lanka is a poor country and the people love their cricket. So the authorities have decided, with bullshit excuses, to erect sponsor hoardings and sheeting to block the view from the road. It's been a tradition to watch cricket from the road with your friends but now SLC have decided they want to be party poopers. I hope they get thrashed.

When I was in Galle in 2014 there was no cricket on but there were still a couple of security guys on the gate. Being used to Lords et al I tentatively asked them if it was alright to have a quick look inside. I was given a guided tour and allowed to take as many pictures as I wanted. When the tour ended they explained their poor wages to me and asked for a tip for the tour. They explained this was the only way to make their wages up to even the most basic standard of affordable living.

I'm guessing the blocking of the view from the road still isn't going to put any extra money in their pockets.

282/2 after 55 overs. Tea.
 

planetgeli

There's no future in England's dreaming
OK, I'll point out they slowed right down after Dhawan fell yesterday and only managed 399/3 in a day. Then sped up again today to manage 600 all out (don't you love round numbers?) off 133 overs at 4.5. Do you think if I say Pandya is better than Stokes that might provoke Stokes into doing something at the Oval? Probably not.
 

planetgeli

There's no future in England's dreaming
David Warner, with Australia chasing 265, makes 112 before falling at 158/3....and still ends up on the losing side.

There is a God.
 

planetgeli

There's no future in England's dreaming
Bangladesh

253/6 (90 ov)
Stumps



Australia


I don't reckon there's a lot wrong with that score for Bangladesh. Lyon got 5 (so far) but I think Aus are up against it. They've picked 3 spinners but only Lyon's performed. First time they've opened the bowling with a spinner since 1938 apparently.
 

Teaboy

It definitely looks brighter over there..
Test championship & ODI league approved by International Cricket Council

Test Championships and 4 day tests then, what do we think?
Dunno. The test thing is kind of already there with the rankings but I guess this simplifies and formalises it a bit. With ODI stuff I'm not sure it's required as you already have a World Cup. That being said if it means that fixtures will be spread out more and not just the same teams playing each other all the time that will be a good thing.
 

littlebabyjesus

one of Maxwell's demons
Test championship in principle is a decent idea. Devil's in the detail.

Four-day tests are an awful idea. We've just had two five-day thrillers in UAE. And if you think of the most memorable tests here in England each year, they are invariably five-dayers.

You can't get teams to bowl their 90 overs in a day as it is. The idea of asking them to bowl more is shit, and the idea that spectators want an even longer day is dubious - many are leaving already when matches go late as it is.

Worse than that, having tests as four-dayers will change the dynamic of matches that only go four days at the moment. And not for the better. There will be way more times that a team is batting out for a draw, and will achieve it where it may not have done with the prospect of another whole day to come. It's fixing a problem that doesn't exist, and only being done for scheduling reasons, not for cricketing reasons.
 

planetgeli

There's no future in England's dreaming
I've read the latest article on cricinfo about 4 day tests twice, and I can't make any sense or logical argument for why this is happening save perhaps 'it gives the minnows a chance to lose quicker to the big boys'.

Despite resistance from the MCC and its cricket committee, the ICC Board on Friday approved a "trial" of four-day Test cricket, with South Africa and Zimbabwe playing the first official game of the new format on Boxing Day. The trial is scheduled to run through until the 2019 World Cup, although participation in it is not mandatory.

This decision was taken in Auckland, where the ICC had also given an in-principle agreement to a Test championship to bring context back into the world game. While most of those matches will take place over five days, ICC chief executive David Richardson felt the four-day format can be quite helpful to the lower-ranked nations and the two newest Full Members Afghanistan and Ireland.

"The trial starts immediately, probably with the first one Zimbabwe playing South Africa from Boxing Day in South Africa," Richardson said. "And that trial will run up until the Cricket World Cup in 2019. The trial won't be compulsory; it will be by arrangement between participating teams in a particular series. So, whoever wants to play it can play it.

"The real value is, teams like Ireland and Afghanistan, even Zimbabwe who have not been at their best. They will be able to explore the opportunity of playing four-day Test matches. Teams visiting, for example, South Africa, might be more likely to play Zimbabwe in a four-day Test than they would in a five-day Test. So, I think it has a number of advantages."

Despite two new countries coming into the fold a mere four months ago, skeptics, including the broadcasters, continue to question the health of Test format. The general feeling is that there is a vast difference in skill between the teams in the top half of the Test table and those towards the bottom for the cricket to be compelling. However, the ICC felt four-day Tests could bring back the lost fervour.

"Innovation is absolutely fundamental to the future of the game," David Peever, chairman of Cricket Australia and a heavyweight on the ICC board, said. "So the (Test) League is part of that, day-night Test cricket is part of that, pink balls, all of that stuff. All the changes that are being made are really important. Trialling four-day cricket in this way is very sensible. What many fans want to see is a result, and a result in a shorter number of days. So, I think the trial is really important and you never know if the trial is successful, as we expect it will be.

"It's probably then a good feed-in to the future, to a programme, and how that's carried out, because we'll be in a position then, for more points to be able to be accumulated through wins rather than draws. That will then make the contest and the decisions that captains and sides make more interesting. So, I think the trial is really, really important, and we've got to keep this change sensibly going, not at a fast rate, but a rate that we and the fans can all absorb, and the players can absorb, to make sure we continue to have Test cricket as relevant to our fans."

According to a member director present during the Auckland meetings, both the decision-making bodies at ICC - the Chief Executives' Committee and the Board - strongly favoured trialling four-day Tests. The director said that without a trial the ICC would not know the "ramifications" for it to determine a long-term view. However, he pointed out for the trial to prove successful, the right set of playing conditions had to be developed. That responsibility now rests with the ICC Cricket Committee, led by former India captain Anil Kumble.

"It is important to develop a criteria for it - until now you've been talking playing conditions, whether it will be 100 overs, half an hour more, or less," the director said. "But the Cricket Committee has not said under what criteria can it (four-day Tests) be played. For instance, if it is between a team ranked first, or the difference in rankings is at least 4 places, plus a difference in ratings of 20 points, a combination of the two will give you the conditions, the criteria under which a four-day Test can be played if both parties agree. Not everyone can just go ahead."
Er...yeah. :confused:
 

littlebabyjesus

one of Maxwell's demons
They cannot mention the real reason, which is so that they can squeeze test series in more easily between the t20 leagues. So they waffle endlessly about absolutely nothing instead.

This is another of the stupid ideas that that twat Graves supports, btw, so you can expect the ECB to fall in line.
 

Casual Observer

binoculars
During one of the recent homes tests (possibly Headingly), I remember an executive of the club saying the club loses money if a test goes into the fifth day. They have to pay for stewards, gate staff, bar staff, security staff etc for the day when the crowd is often very small. From a purely sporting point of view, I'd prefer 5 day tests. From a financial point of view at a time when many clubs are pinched, I can see the merit in 4 days.
 

planetgeli

There's no future in England's dreaming
During one of the recent homes tests (possibly Headingly), I remember an executive of the club saying the club loses money if a test goes into the fifth day. They have to pay for stewards, gate staff, bar staff, security staff etc for the day when the crowd is often very small. From a purely sporting point of view, I'd prefer 5 day tests. From a financial point of view at a time when many clubs are pinched, I can see the merit in 4 days.
I used to steward at Lords. I can confidently say this is bollocks. At Lords, at least, the management are so financially aware that they lay off staff at the hint of an unfavourable weather forecast and, crucially, pay people cash in hand in order to beat the taxman. They even give ‘cash only’ announcements out, for final day tickets, on the Channel 5 highlights ffs. It’s that brazen.

As LBJ said, it’s all about the 20/20. It’s just not (not just?) cricket.
 

Reiabuzz

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Meanwhile NZ has just won their 11th match in a row too. Thrashed the windies and now steam rolling Pakistan. Should be a great triangular series.
 

littlebabyjesus

one of Maxwell's demons
SA seem to have found another exciting young quick in Ngidi. Close to the point where Steyn could struggle to get back in the team.
 

Reiabuzz

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And stokes is back. He’s lucky he’s going to be starting in NZ where presumably the crowds will go a little easier on him than the Aussies, who I expect will be merciless.
 

Reiabuzz

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I agree. Ball's stopped moving. It's something batsmen are taught never to do, though, isn't it?

Is the keeper who appeals? Pretty shitty to appeal over that.
He's the keeper/captain yes. Really shitty thing to do. I used to toss the ball back to the bowler when i played. stupid rule that should be canned.
 
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