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Attica said:
You don't get this 'solidarity' thing do you?
and your action would be in solidarity how exactly?

the concept of well meaning liberals going to palestine in order to show their solidarity whilst actually doing nothing of real significance merely to further their own poltical ambtions or in this case it owuld appear to be to score points from other politcos about who's more anarchist than thou is frankly a galling one... I'd suggest going and showing your soildarity by helping on of any of the current cash strapped but far more worth while and practical groups aready doing things daily which the palestinians both want and need rather than some abstract polical nonsense which merely provides you furthe extention of the playground in whihc to bugger around with your poltical ideas..

Frankly to go somewhere like this for the reasons you are outlining is like going to a famine area to show soildarity by becoming bulemic....

it's that obnoxious an idea...

Try asking people what they want and need rather than attempting to force your radicalism on them...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
and your action would be in solidarity how exactly?

the concept of well meaning liberals going to palestine in order to show their solidarity whilst actually doing nothing of real significance merely to further their own poltical ambtions or in this case it owuld appear to be to score points from other politcos about who's more anarchist than thou is frankly a galling one... I'd suggest going and showing your soildarity by helping on of any of the current cash strapped but far more worth while and practical groups aready doing things daily which the palestinians both want and need rather than some abstract polical nonsense which merely provides you furthe extention of the playground in whihc to bugger around with your poltical ideas..

Frankly to go somewhere like this for the reasons you are outlining is like going to a famine area to show soildarity by becoming bulemic....

it's that obnoxious an idea...

Try asking people what they want and need rather than attempting to force your radicalism on them...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: As if you know what people need...
 
8den said:
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I'd never noticed before how much Mark Steel looks like Wolfie "Citizen" Smith.
 
Attica said:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: As if you know what people need...
well i know enough dearie to know that the palestinians won't thank you for your attempts to further your own poltiical career using them as a badge of honour...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
well i know enough dearie to know that the palestinians won't thank you for your attempts to further your own poltiical career using them as a badge of honour...


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: This is playground stuff- 'I know you are wrong'...
 
Attica - fair play mate, didn't see t'other thread. Hope yr tendon's knitting back together!

Altho you could've told me that about 120 posts ago when I first asked 'Why don't you go to Palestine'...
 
kyser_soze said:
Attica - fair play mate, didn't see t'other thread. Hope yr tendon's knitting back together!

Altho you could've told me that about 120 posts ago when I first asked 'Why don't you go to Palestine'...

Operation was as successful as it can be though my arms are fucked now - pressure on hands caused by the crutches has trapped nerves... Leg in plaster still, prob for another 4-6 weeks, and I am about to apply for Disability Living Allowance. I just found out today I was eligable about 6 weeks ago. Fuck. That's money down the pan...
 
Enough! End Palestine Occupation Jan 30th 2007

Tuesday 30 January 2007, 19.00-21.00

Friends House, 173 Euston Road, London NW1 2BJ

Free entry

featuring:

Tony Benn

Prof Manuel Hassassian, Palestinian General Delegate

Dr Mona El-Farra, author, From Gaza, with Love

Yonatan Shapira, Israeli pilot, Combatants for Peace

Sharif Omar, Jayous farmer

plus films, stalls and merchandise

This is the main public launch of the ENOUGH! coalition,

http://www.enoughoccupation.org/Launch+Rally+13806.twl
 
Going to be large

The ENOUGH! coalition is organising a major national demonstration and concert to take place in London on the afternoon of 9 June 2007 - the international day of action to mark the 40th anniversary under the slogan: "The World Says No to Israeli Occupation".

There are many co-conspirators on the affiliated link on the Enough website - do not organise any other radical stuff on 9th june 2007 unless absolutely necessary...
 
I object to this thread being moved. It was in the UK politics area because it is centrally concerned with the UK response to the situation out there, therefore the debate belongs in the UK section.

Sticking it in a middle East slot is not where it should be because that is part of what I have been criticising - the UK anarchist and lefts poor approach to this issue...
 
Yes, immature communist sympathisers who have grown tired of the battle against rabbits with makeup unite!!! We must take those evil money grubbing Jews to task for their evil and reprehensible ideas...like their daring to fly their own flag over their own homeland!!! How dare they! Or how about their evil Semtic racism against Semites!!!

Please, spare me. Wasn't Seattle enough? you did not learn from Rachel Corrie? Well, we do need more live fire training for the summer so come on down. Great felaffel. Grab some swarma and baba ganouj and pass the dolma!
 
Attica: Tell me, how do anarchists unite? How would you get them to adhere to a scheduale? do you not see how inane your idea is? Do you not have enough problemsin your own piss pot of a country? Britain has plenty of dirt. Last time I looked you still had you ass parked in northern Ireland, were still occupying Wales and Scotland and were abusing the hell out of the Pavee/Travellers. What ever gave you the bright isdea to make problems in my country?


you Westerners are so deluded with self importance.. You think you will EVEr make a difference here? The Arabs do not even want you lookk how they have treated ISM. But you kids [and even the grey haired among you are children] woill never get the meassage.


Garfield: Suprisingly your comment to Attica are right on target. I hope they go to Gaza first if they can even sneak in which I doubt. that Brit from BBC thought he was on the right side.
 
Attica [yet again]: What makes you ever think the Barrier is an "Apartheid Wall?" I would hope, since you are inviting people here, that you are aware that we have well over 1.1 million Arab CITIZENS who enjoy more rights than Jewish Israelis. How then is anything like Apartheid?

Lefties, or lefty wannabess are always latching onto cute "isms" but the truth is that Israel is a fully liberal democracy. Arabs try to sneak in, we have over 250,000 illegal Arab immigrants just since Oslo I. I would dare say that were Israel so reprehensible that it would be quite the opposite, Arab citizens would be sneaking out. Of course you willo not respond, just issue more manifesots [sic]. It would be nice though if you justified your spiel. Thanks in advance.
 
rachamim18 said:
Attica [yet again]: What makes you ever think the Barrier is an "Apartheid Wall?" I would hope, since you are inviting people here, that you are aware that we have well over 1.1 million Arab CITIZENS who enjoy more rights than Jewish Israelis. How then is anything like Apartheid?

Lefties, or lefty wannabess are always latching onto cute "isms" but the truth is that Israel is a fully liberal democracy. Arabs try to sneak in, we have over 250,000 illegal Arab immigrants just since Oslo I. I would dare say that were Israel so reprehensible that it would be quite the opposite, Arab citizens would be sneaking out. Of course you willo not respond, just issue more manifesots [sic]. It would be nice though if you justified your spiel. Thanks in advance.

5 months on-Im still waiting. :rolleyes:
 
Pity The Nation!!!!!!!!

rachamim18 said:
Attica [yet again]: What makes you ever think the Barrier is an "Apartheid Wall?" I would hope, since you are inviting people here, that you are aware that we have well over 1.1 million Arab CITIZENS who enjoy more rights than Jewish Israelis. How then is anything like Apartheid?

Lefties, or lefty wannabess are always latching onto cute "isms" but the truth is that Israel is a fully liberal democracy. Arabs try to sneak in, we have over 250,000 illegal Arab immigrants just since Oslo I. I would dare say that were Israel so reprehensible that it would be quite the opposite, Arab citizens would be sneaking out. Of course you willo not respond, just issue more manifesots [sic]. It would be nice though if you justified your spiel. Thanks in advance.

So are you saying that international Ziionism is a progressive force in the world.
Not only pushing their racist,close to genocidal policies towards the indigenous population of that part of the world , but making deals with German Nazis before the establishment of Israel (Stern Gang for instance) and getting into bed with other Aparthied Regimes like South Africa?:mad: :rolleyes:
Or that elements & followers of conservative and orthodox Judaism don't have separatist and/or supremicist world outlooks?
 
Rather interesting thread. I did not manage to read through all the posts but got a good flavour of the discussion. Certainly, as a former student of history I am aware of the International Bridages and their are some strong links between those who volunteer in Palestine and those who fought in Spain.
 
"A Protracted Colonial War"
Tariq Ali, Guardian

With US support, Israel is hoping to isolate and topple Syria by holding sway over Lebanon.
In his last interview — after the 1967 six-day war — the historian Isaac Deutscher, whose next-of-kin had died in the Nazi camps and whose surviving relations lived in Israel, said: "To justify or condone Israel's wars against the Arabs is to render Israel a very bad service indeed and harm its own long-term interest." Comparing Israel to Prussia, he issued a sombre warning: "The Germans have summed up their own experience in the bitter phrase 'Man kann sich totseigen!' 'You can triumph yourself to death'."

In Israel's actions today we can detect many of the elements of hubris: an imperial arrogance, a distortion of reality, an awareness of its military superiority, the self-righteousness with which it wrecks the social infrastructure of weaker states, and a belief in its racial superiority. The loss of many civilian lives in Gaza and Lebanon matters less than the capture or death of a single Israeli soldier. In this, Israeli actions are validated by the US.

The offensive against Gaza is designed to destroy Hamas for daring to win an election. The "international community" stood by as Gaza suffered collective punishment. Dozens of innocents continue to die. This meant nothing to the G8 leaders. Nothing was done.

Israeli recklessness is always green-lighted by Washington. In this case, their interests coincide. They want to isolate and topple the Syrian regime by securing Lebanon as an Israeli-American protectorate on the Jordanian model. They argue this was the original design of the country. Contemporary Lebanon, it is true, still remains in large measure the artificial creation of French colonialism it was at the outset — a coastal band of Greater Syria sliced off from its hinterland by Paris to form a regional client dominated by a Maronite minority.

The country's confessional chequerboard has never allowed an accurate census, for fear of revealing that a substantial Muslim — today perhaps even a Shia — majority is denied due representation in the political system. Sectarian tensions, over-determined by the plight of refugees from Palestine, exploded into civil war in the 1970s, providing for the entry of Syrian troops, with tacit US approval, and their establishment there - ostensibly as a buffer between the warring factions, and deterrent to an Israeli takeover, on the cards with the invasions of 1978 and 1982 (when Hizbullah did not exist).

The killing of Rafik Hariri provoked vast demonstrations by the middle class, demanding the expulsion of the Syrians, while western organisations arrived to assist the progress of a Cedar Revolution. Backed by threats from Washington and Paris, the momentum was sufficient to force a Syrian withdrawal and produce a weak government in Beirut.

But Lebanon's factions remained spread-eagled. Hizbullah had not disarmed, and Syria has not fallen. Washington had taken a pawn, but the castle had still to be captured. I was in Beirut in May, when the Israeli army entered and killed two "terrorists" from a Palestinian splinter group. The latter responded with rockets. Israeli warplanes punished Hizbullah by dropping over 50 bombs on its villages and headquarters near the border. The latest Israeli offensive is designed to take the castle. Will it succeed? A protracted colonial war lies ahead, since Hizbullah, like Hamas, has mass support. It cannot be written off as a "terrorist" organisation. The Arab world sees its forces as freedom fighters resisting colonial occupation.

There are 9,000 Palestinian political prisoners in Israeli gulags. That is why Israeli soldiers are captured. Prisoner exchanges have occurred as a result. To blame Syria and Iran for Israel's latest offensive is frivolous. Until the question of Palestine is resolved and Iraq's occupation ended, there will be no peace in the region. A "UN" force to deter Hizbullah, but not Israel, is a nonsensical notion.
 
Attica said:
I object to this thread being moved. It was in the UK politics area because it is centrally concerned with the UK response to the situation out there, therefore the debate belongs in the UK section.

Sticking it in a middle East slot is not where it should be because that is part of what I have been criticising - the UK anarchist and lefts poor approach to this issue...
Ditto.
 
Solidarity at a time of strife

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...&MyToken=d2cc5a4c-480c-4363-abe3-2821b97397b6

Statements from U.S. Political Prisoners In Support of Palestine

On the Occasion of A Commemoration of Black September And Palestinian Political Prisoners, Boston, September 17, 2006.

Russell "Maroon" Shoats AF-3855

SCI Greene 175 Progress Drive Waynesburg, PA 15370-8090

"My name is Russell 'Maroon' Shoats and I am a New Afrikan Political Prisoner of War, who at this moment is serving a prison sentence at the Waynesburg, Pennsylvania, state institution. … In response to the heightened repression of the New Afrikan liberation movement in general, and the unjustified killing of New Afrikan youth by the repressive police in the [Philadelphia] community, from August 1970 until January 1972, the date of my capture and arrest, I was active on the armed front of the New Afrikan Liberation Army." –from "I am Maroon!"

To My Palestinian Comrades

From Russell "Maroon" Shoats, a New Afrikan/Black Political Prisoner, to the Palestinian Political Prisoners.

Having joined the ongoing struggle for self-determination for Afrikans born in the United States in 1967, i was then and still am now inspired by the valiant people of Palestine.

Since then i've clearly come to learn that both of our struggles are connected by our people's equal desires to be free.

So when you suffer, we suffer; when you make progress, we make progress; and when you win your freedom, we will also celebrate! Because in our hearts we too are Palestinians!

Ever forward to victory!

Maroon

September 7, 2006


Marilyn Buck

#00482-285

5701 8th St. Camp Parks B

Federal Correctional Institution

Dublin, CA 94568

Anti-imperialist political prisoner who aligned herself with the Black Liberation Movement. In 1973 she was convicted of purchasing ammunition and was given a ten year sentence. She escaped after 4 years, and was underground until she was recaptured in1985 and tried for conspiracy in the successful escape of Assata Shakur. She was further convicted of conspiracy to commit "armed bank robbery" in support of the New Afrikan Independence struggle. In 1988 she was given another ten years for "conspiracy to protest and alter government policies (the invasion of Grenada, intervention in Central America) through use of violence" against government and military property."

Greetings to all who stand for a fee, just, liberated Palestine. I was still an infant when Palestine was dismembered, hacked into pieces and driven off its land. It was 18 or 19 years thereafter before I heard that Palestine was alive, that there had not been the burial the imperialist and Zionist powers had hoped. Life coursed then as now through diaspora veins connecting the hearts of Palestinian people worldwide.

The will and resistance of the Palestinian people taught and inspired me along with other anti-imperialists and internationalists. I greet you and honor you who defend the Palestinian nation and its people. If only I could be present to embrace you, to stand beside you for your homeland.

Those who struggle for a lifetime are the bearers of the future!


Your sister in solidarity.

Marilyn Buck, U.S. anti-imperialist political prisoner


Albert Woodfox of the Angola 3 #72148

CCR UB #3

Louisiana State Penitentiary

Angola, LA 70712

Black Panther Party political prisoner who, along with Herman Wallace, organized the Black Panther Party at Angola prison, known as the most brutal prison in the US. Their political activism made them targets of the all-white prison administration which concocted murder charges against Woodfox and Wallace and placed them on permanent lockdown with sentences of life without parole. Later in 1972, Robert King Wilkerson arrived at Angola, also a member of the Black Panther Party and was subsequently charged and convicted for a murder he did not commit.

To my Palestinian brothers and sisters. Herman Wallace and myself greet you from the belly of the beast! (Prison.)

We would so much rather be there in person, to honor your courage and determination against the zionist state of Israel!

For the last 35 years, we have watched the Palestinian people resist the genocide of Israel against the Palestinians while the western world and media tries to make the world see you as a people unfeeling, without love of family, or people of the world.

Your fight for the destiny and control of the Palestinian people's future is both inspiring and courageous! The world must not rest until the Palestinian people has their own state, with sovereign rights and East Jerusalem as its capital! I salute your courage, I salute your sacrifice, I salute your determination, I salute your victory!

Sincerely,

Albert Woodfox Angola #3! September 7, 2006


Debbie Sims Africa of the MOVE 9

Debbie Sims Africa, MOVE 9

#506307

451 Fullerton Avenue

Cambridge Springs, PA 16403-1238


The MOVE 9 are members of the revolutionary MOVE organization imprisoned since 1978 after a police assault on their headquarters in Powelton Village, Philadelphia. In 1985 the government dropped a bomb on the MOVE house on Osage Avenue in Philadelphia, killing 11 people, including 5 children.

Salute and solidarity to all our strong, loyal committed revolutionary sisters and brothers in Palestine.

The committed example that you continue to set in your country is being felt by all of us here in the USA too. The Move Organization is generating a united, revolutionary vibration to you and all political prisoners around the world through our unending fight for freedom and justice. We are linked together as one to confront and expose the demon intimidation tactics the oppressor uses to beat down and kill off the fighting spirit in all freedom fighters. We must keep fighting back, no matter what or how things may seem. We are obligated to show others the urgent need for change and guide them in the direction of revolution. We must never let ourselves be divided despite any so-call differences, because finally, we have the most important thing in common our fight against the enemy, the oppressor, the enslaver, this system, and any difference among us is secondary to that. What this system fears most is unity because they know unity is power. Power of the people is the key to bring this system to its knees.

We have committed our lives to revolution. Our men, women, children, our infants have lost their lives, they were murdered by this system. We know all of you have lost family, loved ones, and comrades too. The MOVE 9have been unjustly imprisoned for almost 30 years, we are innocent. But despite our innocence, we've been beat jailed and had family members murdered, not because we are guilty of any crime but because we stand up against this rotten, corrupt government and fight for what is right and because we expose these government officials, judges, and police for the diabolical monsters they are. We know all of you have suffered injustices there, the stories we've heard affect us personally and pushes us to fight harder, cause while we are located in different parts of the globe we understand and can relate to what you are going through. Stay strong my brothers and sisters and know that we will not let the lives of our family, your family, any freedom fighter be in vain. We will never stop fighting this system. The seed for this revolution is planted, and though we may not cross paths in our life time, our roots will be planted in the same soil. LONG LIVE ALL FREEDOM FIGHTERS LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!

To quote John Africa

"Solidarity is unity, without unity you can't have revolution…Revolution is organization just as solidarity is togetherness … The word people should be a symbol of identity which should unite people and dispel war but to call everybody a person and go to war against people is to say that people are compelled to conflict making peace hopeless and everything people are striving to make, to have, to be … If we expect to accomplish the defeat of oppression, we are going to have to understand the power of assertion, a single mind is an assertive mind, when we think as one we are as no other, when we think as one another we're defeated because one is one and another is something other than one."

LONG LIVE JOHN AFRICA FOREVER

Ona Move, MOVE [Sent by Debbie Sims Africa, Sept. 2006]
 
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