Indyref 2

Discussion in 'Scotland/Alba' started by weepiper, Mar 13, 2017.

  1. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    It has tripled in price.

    Cheap whisky, supermarket own brands etc is now a minimum of £14.00 a bottle, about a £2.50 increase.

    The fucking hypocrites of the SNP screamed blue murder about the Chancellor raising the price of whisky by 36p, because it would damage the industry.
    When I queried my MSP as to what a £2.50 increase would do, I had to threaten her with a formal complaint before she finally admitted, yes it would damage the industry, but it will (probably may) save a few lives each year.

    Mrs Sas's comment on the matter I feel is a very valid point, she commented that more children will go hungry as a result of this deeply flawed policy.
     
  2. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Hey sas will you move when Scotland goes independent?
     
  3. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    It isn't going to happen, but yes, we would move.
     
  4. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    Where to?
     
  5. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    England or Wales.
     
  6. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    I thought you might have somewhere picked out in the Marche region of Italy.
     
  7. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    ? :confused:
     
  8. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    Italian town.
     
  9. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    :D

    Very apt.

    I would up sticks and head for somewhere warm in a heartbeat, Mrs Sas would not though. She feels it is the wrong time of life to move away from the familiar.

    She's probably right. :(

    Never mind, I'll keep buying a ticket, one never knows... somewhere to be for the Winter months would be nice.
     
  10. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    If money was no object I'd go to Cork or Barga. Or both.
     
  11. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    No serious opposition to the Yes movement, unlike 2014. People in England don't give a shit as England heads towards it's own reckoning with London. Can't be long before the first populist English politician starts to say "cast them loose" while also adopting "End London Rule".
     
  12. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    Hang on, when Sturgeon flew the idea of a second referendum it was unpopular enough that it was quickly killed off/postponed.
     
  13. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    There's also no serious momentum to a pro indy movement. There's no appetite. And outside of the pro indy activist bubble, people just don't see the relevance. It's true that the Scottish Tories are dipping and Scottish Labour is still in the doldrums, so there may well be a pro-indy majority in Holyrood in 2021. But that's not the same as creating a pro indy majority in the population, which is after all what would be needed.

    And the Growth Commission has not set the heather alight. Iain Macwhirter: Come back George Osborne, all is forgiven | HeraldScotland
     
  14. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Fucking dour Scots and their relentlessly upbeat attitude about the future Scots 'more optimistic about future'

    Survey results not at all surprising. Life in England often involves misty-eyed nostalgia.
     
  15. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Wife and I will be on the Stirling to Bannockburn indy march next weekend:thumbs:
    Sas: see you there?
     
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  16. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    If the pigs fly, and hell freezes over, then yes. :)
     
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  17. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Great day on the march. Plod reckoned about 8000. Nary an SNP badge to be seen. Had a good natter with the Scottish Socialist Party people who had a busy stall.
     
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  18. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

  19. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

  20. HoratioCuthbert

    HoratioCuthbert I should be arrested for trying to sing

    Deleted in hindsight in case of local spies.

    /paranoia!
     
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2018
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  21. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    The news that the SNP has become the 2nd largest membership party in the UK, SNP membership overtakes Conservatives , raises the question of what they're doing with that resource.

    First, of course, we need to note that they won't all be active members. But nor are any other party's. However, that does mean they have by far the largest activist base in Scotland.

    I'm more interested in the pro-independence campaign than SNP electoralism. I'll let others explore the latter, but on the former: We were promised a summer of renewed Yes campaigning, but I must have blinked and missed it. There were marches, but they don't win over converts. And they don't really make headlines either.

    I'm a member of the local Yes email list. The majority of Yes activists are also SNP activists (obviously, given their numbers). I can't usually make their meetings because I work weekday evenings when they generally happen. But I read the emails. I didn't notice greater email activity. And the latest email (13th Oct) had such gems in it under "things you can do to help Yes" as Like and share Facebook posts, Follow on Twitter, Follow on Instagram, Wear a Yes badge and/or wristband, Put a Yes window sticker on your car. These things may consolidate the Yes movement and help maintain its cohesion, but they aren't going to win over people who voted No last time. The Yes/SNP bubble may be huge, but it's still a bubble. And it still isn't greater than 50% of the electorate.

    The activism that made headway during the campaign was going into the schemes, talking to people, listening to their questions, giving encouragement to the spontaneous activity where it was springing up, and so on. Not wearing wristbands and liking each others' social media accounts. And as for the Growth Commission, I'm glad it's faded away quietly. The big things people were unconvinced about during the referendum need to be addressed. The Growth Commission did nothing towards that.
     
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  22. Sasaferrato

    Sasaferrato Thank fuck it's not over.

    This is the crux really, give people honest figures, and they run for the hills. No one I know, having looked in depth at income and expenditure in Scotland, would vote for independence. Swinney, God bless him, with his figures for oil income, which proved to be wrong by a margin of multiples, was probably the best help that the 'NO' campaign could ever have. To hang the finances of the nation on income that is hugely variable is risible, and probably the reason he got hoofed as Finance Minister.

    It is still 'NO', and after Sturgeon loses again, to the point where the Greens can't prop up her minority government, it will be 'NO' forever. The people of Scotland may be mad at times, but the majority are not stupid.
     
  23. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    Bookies odds have been getting a lot tighter :thumbs:
     
  24. 19sixtysix

    19sixtysix Life as viewed from a Gay Gorbals Garret

    I didn't get the vote being then exiled in England but I couldn't work out why they tied themselves up in keeping the pound nonsense. To me the biggest power for a small sovereign state is having your own currency. It needs to very carefully managed but Cyprus showed how it was done with their pound being worth double that of sterling from independence till they joined the Euro.

    Many their deeply regret the euro as they had no control help fix the banking collapse and the European troike "hair cut" was unfair in the extreme.

    ETA I'd still have voted yes
     
  25. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    The SNP were trying to sell the idea of "change without change". But they saddled the Yes movement with a duff policy. It was both wrong for a post independent Scotland, and, for the campaign, a tactical mistake. And one they still don't seem to have got to grips with.
     
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  26. 19sixtysix

    19sixtysix Life as viewed from a Gay Gorbals Garret

    I know. It's painful.
     
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  27. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    I was speaking with a bloke in the Highlands the other day. Middle class bloke from Perthshire moved to the Highlands, small "c" conservative. Lots of family in the armed forces. Seemed to hate the Tories now, would never vote Labour (he referred to Afghanistan and Iraq as being a disaster for the armed forces) and thinks the SNP are blood-and-soil nationalists (he gave the example of his wife being English and what would happen to her?) However, he said he voted SNP for the local council as they are better than the rest. I didn't probe much but not once did he rant on against independence, which surprised me. So many layers to things now.
     

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