Discussion in 'Scotland/Alba' started by weepiper, Mar 13, 2017.
It's on. Between Autumn 2018 and Spring 2019, to be decided by the Scottish parliament. BRING IT.
Twitter is exploding.
Brilliant news, not entirely unexpected. Let's see how dirty they get this time.
Well last time the financial prophecies of doom were prominent were they not? You'll sink without the Union and sink hard was one of the messages. But with the Union seemingly tied to exiting europe and receiving similar prophecies of doom all over the shop, thats not going to wash is it? Recon its going to be the biggest factor argued over anyway.
Now is just about the right time to call for a second ref, in fact Sturgeon would have missed the moment if she hadn't done. Same time, she must be concerned that the opinion polls are not showing a majority for independence. She also has the problem that, from memory, a fair % of the SNP's own voters backed brexit.
Sorry if this sounds negative - I'd vote for indie if I lived in Scotland - I'm really just a bit unclear whether she really thinks she can win this or whether she's been backed into a corner, 'having to' call it now
Where is the poll? I demand a poll...
Finally the meaning of ‘independence' in “UK Independence Party” becomes clear.
Probably the biggest chance of winning a 2nd ref is if May refuses to allow it and then Sturgeon goes ahead and calls it anyway. Though.... even that could backfire. Maybe just because I don't live in Scotland I'm struggling to guess how this will play out. Certainly going to have a very different dynamic to the first ref.
Um no. All Scottish Parliament can do is ask Westminster for permission
What can the yoons say this time? Everything they said last time was a lie. Or a smear.
My money is on yes.
Direct rule imposed, troops on the streets
Most indys are ready to have a UDI, WM saying no has no effect at all. (apart from convincing some more people to tell it to fuck off)
If indie 2 goes ahead, presumably the EU will have a major role to play, making clear the kind of deal Scotland could get and how long it would take to negotiate. Noises coming from Brussels have not been very encouraging so far, iirc.
I better call a taxi for Sasaferrato he's not going to be happy.
I can see people smuggling import tax free cheese and wine down from Scotland in van runs at midnight... could be cool.
I'm going to move to Scotland if it gets independence and stays part of the EU. I'll apply for Scottish citizenship too.
doesn't it need to be approved to take place by westminster? What are the constitutional processes here?
I would expect the EU to use it as a tactic to complicate rUKs hand
Off we go!
They can't say no, basically. It's a constitutional right.
If they do we can just unilaterally declare independence (UDI)
This time there won't be any fucking about by Europe, they'll be totally on our side to give WM the finger.
Scottish independence: why a second vote is back on the table
Though May's calculation on whether to allow it will be political rather than constitutional. Last thing she needs as the details of post brexit trade deals are worked out is Scotland leaving (even if there's electoral advantages, creating a near permanent tory majority in Westminster) - but then again, refusing to allow it probably boosts indie sentiments. Lose-lose scenario.
Currency speculators should bet on the £ dropping again btw.
If they were canny, they would be more interested in the noises coming out of Oslo
What noises would they be?
That the UK is probably too large to join EFTA without destabilising it, and they find Westminster too right wing for their tastes. But Scotland can't join EFTA whilst part of the UK.
Rest of EFTA seemed OK with UK membership
BBC News currently acting as Tory Central Office Communications Dept.
BBC - 'voters are very angry about another referendum'
Sounds about right. I thought this was going to be another "Norway wants a union with Scotland".
Interesting times. Very pleased for Scotland, fucking gutted for Wales, but we've got to build a positive politics here of our own.
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