Indonesia's province of Aceh passes adultery stoning law

[camouflage]

At least we get the chance and say in what religion we want to follow/not follow and

Um, not sure what you mean by that, most notably the open-ended "and". But frankly I think what I said that you quoted is bollocks. The reason for this is that I (personally) see ideology generally and religion specificaly, as surviving in a kind of parasitic role on the neck of humanity. Religion has no more special powers to maintain the cohesion of any tribe than does football, or Big Brother, or popular music. Religion is a self-serving organism, and less pluralistic cultures are more vulverable to its depredations.

Or to put another way, in some cultures the rights of human individuals play second fiddle to the demands of the Religion. To secure itself the religion must be feared, obeyed, and fed victims to keep it 'real'.

But then, I bloody hate religion so I'm not exactly impartial.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

hopefully derf is playing away

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Um, not sure what you mean by that, most notably the open-ended "and". But frankly I think what I said that you quoted is bollocks. The reason for this is that I (personally) see ideology generally and religion specificaly, as surviving in a kind of parasitic role on the neck of humanity. Religion has no more special powers to maintain the cohesion of any tribe than does football, or Big Brother, or popular music. Religion is a self-serving organism, and less pluralistic cultures are more vulverable to its depredations.

Or to put another way, in some cultures the rights of human individuals play second fiddle to the demands of the Religion. To secure itself the religion must be feared, obeyed, and fed victims to keep it 'real'.

But then, I bloody hate religion so I'm not exactly impartial.

Sorry, don't know where the "and" came from. I hate religion, and I hate the way it's forced down the throats of some people, in Malaysia for example. I don't like how it's getting stricter. I've talked to a few women whilst there who 10 years ago were able to dress fairly casually. Now they're having to wear headscarves, being told how to dress etc. and end up moving away to one of the more liberal states.

I could then go to a bar and see a muslim man drinking without any worries.

It's one thing being born into a religion and growing up with the laws, but when things are being changed before your eyes... I'm wondering how long before the predominantly muslim states in Malaysia are going to be telling their women to wear the full burkha

If someone told me I had to start wearing a headscarf, I'd tell them to fuck right off.

 

[purves grundy]

Bloody nora. I spent many months in Aceh in the late 90s/early 00s and fucking loved the place. Despite the civil war going on at the time, my overwhelming memory is of incredible hospitality from everyone I met, as well as some of the most incredible beaches and forests I've ever seen. I got no sense of a desire among the people for an Islam of this kind.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

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[purves grundy]

This area was troubled a few years ago, when the Indonesian military was employed against the indigenous people of the area. Seems like the military was successful, and these new laws are part of the result.

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cove/4232/9908/INA_aceh9907.html

I don't know in what way you can say the military were 'successful', or how the new laws are related to this victory. The civil war was still going on when the tsunami hit in 2004, and the post-tsunami deal between the rebels and Indo military gave the province something approaching the degree of autonomy it had demanded for a long time (though far short of full independence).

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I don't know in what way you can say the military were 'successful', or how the new laws are related to this victory. The civil war was still going on when the tsunami hit in 2004, and the post-tsunami deal between the rebels and Indo military gave the province something approaching the degree of autonomy it had demanded for a long time (though far short of full independence).

You're actually right. Tbh, on closer reading, I realize that I was mistaking Aceh province, and the goings on in Timor. Bad me.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

If they can like the Malaysians, then hopefully you'll only be caned with a thin stick


From story about a Malaysian who's going to get caned for drinking alcohol. She actually lives in Singapore but was visiting Malaysia when she got caught.

On a separate note, Kelantan (one of Malaysia's northern states):

It's depressing that this stuff happens in places often touted as more 'moderate' Muslim states...

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Sorry, don't know where the "and" came from. I hate religion, and I hate the way it's forced down the throats of some people, in Malaysia for example. I don't like how it's getting stricter. I've talked to a few women whilst there who 10 years ago were able to dress fairly casually. Now they're having to wear headscarves, being told how to dress etc. and end up moving away to one of the more liberal states.

I could then go to a bar and see a muslim man drinking without any worries.

It's one thing being born into a religion and growing up with the laws, but when things are being changed before your eyes... I'm wondering how long before the predominantly muslim states in Malaysia are going to be telling their women to wear the full burkha

If someone told me I had to start wearing a headscarf, I'd tell them to fuck right off.

The only thing that is any good about Malaysia is that it appears to leave the non-muslim population pretty much alone, at least according to a briton I know who lives there...

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

The only thing that is any good about Malaysia is that it appears to leave the non-muslim population pretty much alone, at least according to a briton I know who lives there...

Normally

Six Malaysian Muslims have been charged with sedition for parading the severed head of a cow through the streets of Shah Alam in Selangor state last month.
The men were protesting against the building of a Hindu temple near their neighbourhood.

Some of the demonstrators stamped and spat on the cow's head.
The case has stoked tensions between Malaysia's Muslim majority and the Indian, mainly Hindu, minority to whom cows are considered sacred.
'Not an insult'

The six accused men were among a large group of people who marched from a mosque in Shah Alam, the capital of Selangor state, to the state chief minister's office on 28 August.

Their actions were recorded on video and uploaded onto the internet.
Twelve of the protesters were charged with illegal assembly, which could see them fined and jailed for up to a year.

Six were also charged with sedition - for promoting hostility between different groups - and could face an additional three years in jail.
Defence lawyer Salehuddin Saidin said his clients were carrying the cow head to illustrate the state government's stupidity - and did not intend to offend local Hindus.

"For Malays, the cow symbolises stupidity, not an insult to any other religion," Mr Salehuddin told the Associated Press.

But P Uthayakumar, a prominent Hindu activist, dismissed this argument as a "lame excuse", saying the protesters were "clearly inciting the Hindus".
The authorities in Selangor have now found an alternative site for the Hindu temple, further away from the mosque.

Indians - most of them Hindu - make up 9% of Malaysia's 27 million people.
Analysts say the protest reflects the increasingly difficult task facing Prime Minister Najib Razak, as he tries to calm ethnic and religious tensions.

what's he living there for then?

 

[derf]

hopefully derf is playing away

I'm in Central Java but I know your mum is working as a tart over in Aceh.
Rp20,000 for a suck and Rp 50,000 for a full shag according to her adverts.

http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi

 

[derf]

Back on thread. These extreme head jobs are way out of order. Stoning - silly sods.

 

[poster342002]

Sudan's authorities wanted to stone a woman for the dreadful crime of wearing trousers. Before that, they wanted to do the same over an offensive teddybear.

Malaysia recently arrested and tried someone for drinking beer (non-muslims can drink alcohol there legally - but muslims cannot in this religious-based form of apartheid). The punishment for that is a flogging, too.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Sudan's authorities wanted to stone a woman for the dreaful crime of wearing trousers. Before that, they wanted to do the same over an offensive teddybear.

Malaysia recently arrested and tried someone for drinking beer (non-muslims can drink alcohol there legally - but muslims cannot in this religious-based form of apartheid). The punishment for that is a flogging, too.

I've already mentioned that on here. They've decided to postpone her caning until after Ramadam

 

[poster342002]

What pisses me off about all this is how some liberals come out with shite like "they knew the law, so it's their own fault for breaking it and should accept the consequences". I mean, how stupid is that? The fact that those laws are utterly oppressive and wrong - just like, for example, the apartheid laws of South Africa were - should be obvious.