India grandmother 'dumped on tip'

[MooChild]

Well..........I can see, look I've just done it again.

600 over ten years has to have something to do with their culture doesn't it ?

Yes, you can but it does make it correct now does it? I'm not talking about witchcraft, im talking about dumping a family member on a rubbish tip. How is that "cultural"? - answers on a postcard.

 

[Aldebaran]

It's their culture

Correction: It is most likely connected to Western Capitalist Consumerist Culture influencing their traditions and culture.

salaam.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Correction: It is most likely connected to Western Capitalist Consumerist Culture influencing their traditions and culture.

salaam.

True.

They should have thrown her on her husband's funeral pyre like the good 'ol days.

 

[Aldebaran]

True.

They should have thrown her on her husband's funeral pyre like the good 'ol days.

I don't know if sati was practiced everywhere in India.
This writer doesn't seem to think it was.

http://www.kamat.com/kalranga/hindu/sati.htm

I can't verify the author or the contenance of the article under that link though... But since you seem to be better informed, maybe you can.

salaam.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

As usual, you completely miss the point.

 

[Aldebaran]

I do? What about my link. Is the information correct or not?

salaam.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

My point was first. Please address it or fuck off. Afterall, you're the self-confessed genius.

<edited to add>
Repeatedly, endlessly, mindnumbingly self-confessed genius.

 

[Aldebaran]

My point was first. Please address it or fuck off.

I don't see any point in your post, other than a massive generalisation about a practice you fail to explain in-depth, although you wanted to come across as informed on it.

Afterall, you're the self-confessed genius.

Actually, such goes beyond my knowledge for the simple reason that nobody can chose where or how they are born.
If you can say otherwise and prove it you instantly beat me on all levels.

salaam.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I don't see any point in your post, other than a massive generalisation about a practice you fail to explain in-depth, although you wanted to come across as informed on it.

There is one, I can assure you. All you've proven so far is that you can use Google.

Actually, such goes beyond my knowledge for the simple reason that nobody can chose where or how they are born.
If you can say otherwise and prove it you instantly beat me on all levels.

salaam.

False modesty at this point is even more unbecoming than the arrogance that I usually see from you.

 

[Aldebaran]

There is one, I can assure you and its not about sati.

If the point was to be sarcastic with a paternalistic undertone, you failed to see I took you on that.

If the "point" is that if burned alive, she would have died more rapidly (hence sort of more "humane") then when left where she was left to starve, I think you are wrong.

False modesty at this point is even more unbecoming than the arrogance that I usually see from you.

There is no modesty in stating the obvious just like there is no arrogance in it. It all lies in perception, isn't it. Or better said: in the willingness to perceive.

salaam.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

If the point was to be sarcastic with a paternalistic undertone, you failed to see I took you on that.

If the "point" is that if burned alive, she would have died more rapidly (hence sort of more "humane") then when left where she was left to starve, I think you are wrong.

No my dear, you are still missing the point. It isn't about sati at all.

There is no modesty in stating the obvious just like there is no arrogance in it. It all lies in perception, isn't it. Or better said: in the willingness to perceive.

salaam.

Same 'ol. Same 'ol.

 

[sayjann3]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6907269.stm

Jesus, this sucks on so many levels



What kind of family can do this?

Hi MooChild,

I'm afraid this sums up Indians IMHO.

Kipling summed up Indians perfectly IMO, they are half devil half child.

They have the the naked greed and materialism that comes from previously having had nothing and once they get taste of cash they are never satisfied, never.

We are going to see a lot more of this as Indias rural poor struggle to pull themselves up and gain the trinkets of middle classhood.

Good for you for finding this source I am going to email it to some of my friends.

Sayjann

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I'm afraid this sums up Indians IMHO.

Kipling summed up Indians perfectly IMO, they are half devil half child.

Sayjann

Eh? You want to ellaborate on this, please? As Al has pointed out, I'm an ignorant american so I need a bit of extra help.

 

[Aldebaran]

No my dear, you are still missing the point. It isn't about sati at all.

If you know about an other tradition where women got burned alive with the corpse of their late husband you know more than I do. I'm not particularly informed on Indian rituals, as I indicated already.

Same 'ol. Same 'ol.

Yes. I'm afraid only a brain transplant can make a change.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

Eh? You want to ellaborate on this, please? As Al has pointed out, I'm an ignorant american so I need a bit of extra help.

See where your perception is wrong again?

salaam.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

See where your perception is wrong again?

salaam.

So you agree with sayjann3 that Indians are half devil children? I always figured you for a bit arrogant, but I never thought you racist.

 

[Aldebaran]

So you agree with sayjann3 that Indians are half devil children? I always figured you for a bit arrogant, but I never thought you racist.

I reply to a remark you made about me. How does that indicate agreement with an other poster?
By the way: I know I can come across as arrogant, eventually

salaam.

 

[Brainaddict]

India's so spiritual maaaaaan

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

If you know about an other tradition where women got burned alive with the corpse of their late husband you know more than I do. I'm not particularly informed on Indian rituals, as I indicated already.
.

I think you're being deliberately obtuse. I'll give you a bit of a hint. It's about culture and personal choice, not Indian rituals.

 

[sayjann3]

Eh? You want to ellaborate on this, please? As Al has pointed out, I'm an ignorant american so I need a bit of extra help.

Kipling is a British author, born 1865 died 1936. Author of childrens books and poet.

He was brought up in India and wrote prolifically about the place. He really did capture the heart of the people IMO.

Sayjann

 

[sayjann3]

So you agree with sayjann3 that Indians are half devil children? I always figured you for a bit arrogant, but I never thought you racist.

I didnt say they were half devil children. Kipling said the Indians character is half devil, half child. Not devil children.

If you look at Indian comedy it is very very slapstick, almost childlike. Indian films make Jack and the Beanstalk look like serious drama.

Sayjann

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Kipling is a British author, born 1865 died 1936. Author of childrens books and poet.

He was brought up in India and wrote prolifically about the place. He really did capture the heart of the people IMO.

Sayjann

People are people, the world over. Culture has some effect on that, but I don't see Indian behavior when they get a bit of money any different than say the behavior of the Blackfeet tribe when they got a bit of gambling money. Their first act was to throw out the African American tribal members as not really being "indian" so the money wouldn't have to be shared with them. Never mind the fact that those families had been tribal members, in some cases, for over a hundred years. Greed does horrible things to humans. No culture is imune.

(Note to Al: read this post, please).

 

[Aldebaran]

I think you're being deliberately obtuse.

No I'm not. I read your post as I explained.

It's about culture and personal choice, not Indian rituals.

What is the difference between throwing her on a fire and throwing here on a garbage belt?

The fire is tradition/culture but made unlawful.
The garbage opiton is what I suspect it is - as I explained in my post - and also in violation of the law.

So actually the only choice was to obey the law if they didn't want to get prosecuted.

salaam.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I didnt say they were half devil children. Kipling said the Indians character is half devil, half child. Not devil children.

If you look at Indian comedy it is very very slapstick, almost childlike. Indian films make Jack and the Beanstalk look like serious drama.

Sayjann

But you agreed with Kiplings assessment. What is the practical basis for your view?

BTW, have you seen Monty Python? Not exactly highbrow.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I reply to a remark you made about me. How does that indicate agreement with an other poster?
By the way: I know I can come across as arrogant, eventually

salaam.

Dang, I love a good fight.

 

[winterinmoscow]

well this article just makes me sad

 

[sayjann3]

But you agreed with Kiplings assessment. What is the practical basis for your view?

BTW, have you seen Monty Python? Not exactly highbrow.

Monty Python appeals to people on many many different levels.

SJ

 

[xes]

In a simular,but far more horrific case. A baby was found on a rubbish tip with 26 stab wounds in Mumbai. He survived.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/07/25/india.baby.reut/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

truly horrific.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Monty Python appeals to people on many many different levels.

SJ

You'll forgive me if I suspect the motives of someone quoting a poem called "The White Man's Burden" and counts it as a positive. It has the excuse of being of its time. What's yours?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I didnt say they were half devil children. Kipling said the Indians character is half devil, half child. Not devil children.

If you look at Indian comedy it is very very slapstick, almost childlike. Indian films make Jack and the Beanstalk look like serious drama.

Sayjann

Oh, that's it, sorry, but given your past performance, you are basically an out-and-out racist. Bye.