You didn't answer my other question, are you allowed to be amused when the English take the piss out of themselves? Am I when the Welsh do it? Or is this somehow being racist?
I've never seen an English comedian take the piss out of Englishness so i couldn't tell you if it's amusing or not.
We all stereotype to some extent or another, like I said as long as it's in good humour then I don't tend to have a problem with it.
How nice for you.
Only partially ruled by London these days. Arguably the Cornish have it a lot worse off. Say I want to go back a bit further and emancipate the Kingdom of Wessex?
I'd love to see an independent Cornwall. I don't know enough about Wessex to know if Wessexians are a distinct people or whether they are just another colonising tribe of English people.
More through being part of a broader British Empire than WW2 I'd say but perhaps we're thinking about different people.
Hey, foreign wars are always handy in promoting the Union Jack and unionism - just look at the Falklands. In WW2 unionist propaganda was all pervasive. For example there are still many people today who think Britain played some significant part militarily in winning WW2.
Wales hasn't been colonised in the same way that Australia, Canada and America were, using the same terms is misleading, although I suppose it's rhetorically appealling.
I think the colonisation of Wales was just as brutal.
I don't know, you'd have to ask them. My point is it is up to someone if they choose to call themselves British-Asian, Italian-Welsh, Scottish-AfroCaribean, or English-Jamaican, and it's not your place or mine to tell them they're right or wrong.
You're talking about ethnicity. But do they think of themselves as partially Welsh politically? Britain is a political entity.
Ask the miners in Yorkshire and Cornwall, the shipworkers on the Tyne, the Clyde and in NI, etc. and I think you'd find they do.
They do what?
You don't know that, you're being lazy and hegemonising about an English identity in exactly the way you accuse others of doing about a Welsh one. I've no particular attachment to any sort of national identity be it English, British or anything else. I only have to go back two or three generations to find Welsh, Irish and Cornish ancestors, as is typical of many people. So what?
Not at all. No offence, but I'm not remotely interested in your ancestry.
I didn't say anything remotely approaching that, a weak charicature that much better expresses your views than mine. I said that some people historically have seen the British Empire in that way, wanted to move here and been proud to call themselves British, which is very different from having a "vision" of my own.
Which views are you talking about? Who are these people who cherish the British ideal? And where did they get their notions of Britishness from?
And if they don't choose to be are they then wrong? I've spoken with lots of people who think that the biggest thing oppressing Wales today is this attitude and those shoving it down their throats and that they'd rather move to England than see a fully independent Wales where people are forced to learn the language. Are they somehow not proper Welsh, sad deluded victims of an Imperialist/Colonialist conspiracy and not fit to share this soil with the "true" Welsh?
I'll have to take your word for that. You make it sound as if there are thousands of people with their bags already packed ready to flee across the border into tolerant England should some bureaucrat suggest their children might have to conjugate a few Welsh verbs. I think you are showing your prejudice/insecurites there. Purity/true Welshness (whatever that is) has nothing to do with it. The implicit suggestion that Welsh nationalism is right-wing or fascistic is nonsense. I'd love to live in a multi-cultural, left-wing, independent Wales.
