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In a quandary, PGCE or Masters

I did a HE/FE PGCE and was treated like shite for a few years, the attitude of a lot colleges up here is that you really really want to work for them so much so that they will give you loads of unpaid course designing type stuff which you will willingly do to make a good impression and hopefully they might even employ you for more than a few hours a week.
I found this to be the case with two out of the three colleges i worked at, they werent interested in education and spoke to most of the team like they were pieces of pavement dog shite, I walked out of the last college under a stream of effin n blinding they wound me up that much.
Outside of statutory education there is a gaggle of 'for profit providors' There are parasites such as A4E and training for today who will pay about £270 per week to teach basic skills to disinterested stoned scallies.

I sound very cynical, dont let me put you off, I work in the voluntary sector now where I get to do bits of teaching as part of my job without some line manager breathing down my neck for tick box outcomes.

I,d do the masters any day of the week.
 
I did a HE/FE PGCE and was treated like shite for a few years, the attitude of a lot colleges up here is that you really really want to work for them so much so that they will give you loads of unpaid course designing type stuff which you will willingly do to make a good impression and hopefully they might even employ you for more than a few hours a week.
I found this to be the case with two out of the three colleges i worked at, they werent interested in education and spoke to most of the team like they were pieces of pavement dog shite, I walked out of the last college under a stream of effin n blinding they wound me up that much.
Outside of statutory education there is a gaggle of 'for profit providors' There are parasites such as A4E and training for today who will pay about £270 per week to teach basic skills to disinterested stoned scallies.

I sound very cynical, dont let me put you off, I work in the voluntary sector now where I get to do bits of teaching as part of my job without some line manager breathing down my neck for tick box outcomes.

I,d do the masters any day of the week.

Shippy already has a regular (full-time, I think) teaching job.
 
sorta

i partly feel that i'm on the long finger but partly i feel that i am valued for my skill set... i mean i was a big part of their ecommerce course
 
I don't think there's a right answer but when faced with the same quandary this is what I did..

I did the PGCE first (and fyi I applied in August and started in September, majorly pissing off my employers by giving them a week's notice... :o - so it's not impossible to apply now). Although I had already had and paid off a student loan from my undergraduate degree in the early 90s I was able to get a 2nd one for my PGCE. I was also eligible for a grant whilst doing the PGCE. So I lived off the grant and took out the loan which I stuck in a high interest account. I then used the loan money the following year to do my Masters. I also had the option of supply teaching (since I had the PGCE) to supplement my income during the Masters. On top of that, when I got a teaching job I got started fairly high up the teaching scale because as well as loads of previous teaching experience I had an MA (which they are now heavily encouraging all teachers to get).

I know your situation is slightly different but maybe this might give you food for thought. :)
 
Is it true that a lot of colleges/adult education institutions see an MA as a qualification to teach in that subject?

No..... You have to have an MA if you want to teach a degree...... Min requirements for FE are to do a pettls (12 week intro to teaching course) which then allows you to teach for 5 years, you then have to do a detlls. You also have to be registered with the IFL and do at least 30 hours of CPD a year, which you have to pass details on to the IFL.

An MA would not be sufficient on its own (it was until about a year ago).
 
Ha, bummer.
Thanks for the update, though. :)

Oh you can teach without a qual, you have to commit to doing it, the employer will either pay for you to do a pettl, or run it themselves and put you on it.

The local county council will also pay for you to do your dettls.

There is also a course called cettls/kettls or something........ im told its a complete waste of time.
 
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