Important For All Activists

[In Bloom]

I believe they're blaming the police for confiscating their toiletries while raiding the camp the other day. Seriously

 

[moon23]

I believe they're blaming the police for confiscating their toiletries while raiding the camp the other day. Seriously

Yep nail scissors could be used to poke out the eyes of police dog for instance and a nail brush could be used to plug the cooling vent of a power station. Seems fairly reasonable to me.

 

[winjer]

This is a VERY important document for anyone involved in activism or protest of ANY kind, and you should ALL take steps to retain a copy of this.

Why do you think it's so important? More comprehensive guides, put together in exactly the same way are available from any good bookshop, but as with this NETCU guide they don't tell you how the law will be used, only how it should be.

 

[kyser_soze]

So is this like a manual of police praxis?

 

[In Bloom]

Why do you think it's so important? More comprehensive guides, put together in exactly the same way are available from any good bookshop, but as with this NETCU guide they don't tell you how the law will be used, only how it should be.

Eh, it's nothing Earth shattering, but it's a bit useful to know what powers the police think they have.

 

[butchersapron]

I sense a bit of activist top-trumps going on here. Bit pathetic like.

 

[winjer]

Eh, it's nothing Earth shattering, but it's a bit useful to know what powers the police think they have.

But we already did.

 

[winjer]

So is this like a manual of police praxis?

No, it's a reference guide to the elements of the most common public order offences. The manuals of police praxis are ACPO's 'Keeping the Peace' and 'Public Order Standards, Tactics and Training', the former is published on their website but the latter is closely guarded, an earlier edition was partly leaked by Tony Benn, but even then he cut out parts that might be useful to the enemy, i.e. those on the receiving end.

 

[winjer]

The three links to the pdf document all bring up an identical file.

The pdf's are the same, the two halves were posted separate groups of images as Indy only allows 20 max per post.

 

[rogue_lettuce]

Why do you think it's so important? More comprehensive guides, put together in exactly the same way are available from any good bookshop, but as with this NETCU guide they don't tell you how the law will be used, only how it should be.

Yeah, if you want loads of stuff about The Gambling Act and suchlike, you could use a guide like that, but guides specifically put together for 'policing protest' would certainly be easier and quicker references in 'on the spot' situations. I would also suggest that this document would be more commonly referred to by the rank and file officers on NETCU-related operations, though I couldn't say for sure how many officers choose to carry around comprehensive operational manuals, etc.

 

[detective-boy]

It is in the interests of an open, democratic society that its citizens know the law and how it will be enforced, otherwise the law cannot claim to be legitimate. There is a sore lack of such knowledge on the part of the public, and I believe that disseminating this document will decrease the number of offences committed through ignorance.

I agree ... so why the fuck do you slag me off when I try to do exactly that?

 

[detective-boy]

I can't see any reason why the police would be concerned about this falling into the hands of the public. It doesn't have any secrets that I can see.

Indeed. As I posted on another thread, it's a summary of the statute law, the case law which applies and some advice on how to use the powers lawfully. Why the fuck the introduction suggests not to release it under a Freedom of Information request I don't know.

 

[detective-boy]

... though I couldn't say for sure how many officers choose to carry around comprehensive operational manuals, etc.

Very few (if any) constables (like you lot, they tend to think they know it all ... ). But a good few sergeants and most inspectors and above would keep one handy.

 

[The Black Hand]

No, it's a reference guide to the elements of the most common public order offences. The manuals of police praxis are ACPO's 'Keeping the Peace' and 'Public Order Standards, Tactics and Training', the former is published on their website but the latter is closely guarded, an earlier edition was partly leaked by Tony Benn, but even then he cut out parts that might be useful to the enemy, i.e. those on the receiving end.

I thought part of it came out because of the Orgreave riot trial when the miners got 'not guiltys' (cos they were... not guilty). Benn got parts of it put in the House of commons library i thought, but genesis of the information/publication was the riot trial...

 

[winjer]

Yeah, if you want loads of stuff about The Gambling Act and suchlike, you could use a guide like that

Or such rarely encountered powers as stop-and-search?

Which isn't covered at all by the NETCU guide.

though I couldn't say for sure how many officers choose to carry around comprehensive operational manuals, etc.

Plenty, especially on pre-planned operations, many in the Met carry blue A6 pocket guides (not NETCU), supervisors (Sgt, Insp etc) will often have one of these to hand:

 

[rioted]

Oh do give over. I'm with Scargill on this one.

Have you ever looked carefully at a miner's hands? Or his eyes/ears? Fucking soap dodgers!

 

[winjer]

I thought part of it came out because of the Orgreave riot trial when the miners got 'not guiltys' (cos they were... not guilty). Benn got parts of it put in the House of commons library i thought, but genesis of the information/publication was the riot trial...

Yes, its existence came to light during the Orgreave trial because of a slip up by the commanding officer - claiming police battle-cries were official policy - and parts of it were subsequently read into evidence, but the version in the library is longer - although still incomplete - and has the especially contentious advantages/disadvantages parts restored, as far as I can tell from Shooting In The Dark.

 

[rogue_lettuce]

I agree ... so why the fuck do you slag me off when I try to do exactly that?

I don't...?

Or such rarely encountered powers as stop-and-search?

Which isn't covered at all by the NETCU guide.

Fair point. Why does the internets have to be so aggressive all the time!?

 

[Herbert Read]

the state is shaking

 

[winjer]

Why does the internets have to be so aggressive all the time!?

Where's the aggression here? Just old-fashioned zeteticism.

 

[SnowBoardeSarah]

Must get a copy of this little booklet just out of interest. Protest London are campaigning for the legalisation of Hemp and all it's derivatives but mostly for medical use. Good friend Jimmy Star forced an change in the law a few months back and the police have been mostly supportive. Although I do believe 4 officers are facing loosing their jobs over harassing the poor guy for collecting petition signatures and handing out leaflets.
We actually got a toking licence for the end of Downing Street in June. Srgnt Sweetman even let us borrow his megaphone. Inform people of the truth and they are on your side in a trice.

 

[rogue_lettuce]

Where's the aggression here? Just old-fashioned zeteticism.

I was half-joking. Don't worry about it!

 

[winjer]

Plenty, especially on pre-planned operations, many in the Met carry blue A6 pocket guides (not NETCU), supervisors (Sgt, Insp etc) will often have one of these to hand:

Now available at a website near you:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/08/405529.html#c202942

 

[winjer]

No, it's a reference guide to the elements of the most common public order offences. The manuals of police praxis are ACPO's 'Keeping the Peace' and 'Public Order Standards, Tactics and Training', the former is published on their website but the latter is closely guarded, an earlier edition was partly leaked by Tony Benn, but even then he cut out parts that might be useful to the enemy, i.e. those on the receiving end.

ACPO Public Order Standards, Tactics and Training, 288 pages including such great advice as "The throwing of a lit petrol bomb, may be construed as hazardous.":
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2011/10//486401.pdf