Immortal Technique
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max_freakout
Nothing matters
he is a good rapper no matter what moral digressions he made in his past (he said he was a teenager when this incident happened)
Psychonaut
Well-Known Member
can you pay on the door?
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Psychonaut
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not live im afraid. the rendition will be punctuated by approximately 22 mins of video presentation, explaining about thermite, molten steel & freefall speeds. 'squibs' will feature prominently. Everyone around you will gasp 'oh my god - thats how they did it!' and hurriedly scribble down the infowars URL.
not bothered about it myself, how many mcs, tracks even, can you endorse 100%? The important thing is he believes in it passionately though, and you can hear it in the delivery, so you could try & feel that passion - the spirit of defiance - instead of focussing on the info.
London Eye
Active Member
Oh well I suppose that's understandable then. He's described being in the ghetto like a war and said bad things happen in war or something like that. Either he did rape a woman, in which case all his "free the people" stuff seems a bit hollow and meaningless, or he is using his imagination to draw up a picture of what the hood was like, in which case he should admit it. Seems to me he is putting himself in the position of some of the cold-blooded criminals (which of course with his Marxist analysis he can justify all their crimes as being provoked by the oppression of "the man").
I like the sparseness of the beats, though the melodies are a bit flat. But the subject matter, from pure left-wing revolutionary politics, to conspiracy theories of Alex Jones proportions (detonations
please!) , to moral lessons in wannabe gangsterism that reveal a moral bankruptcy - no hint of remorse even if he is supposed to have done what he says) it leaves a real ball of confusion. Wish I'd never asked 
No doubt a talented wordsmith, with some real passion (some youtube clips of him freestyling in London show that too). But there's got to be more enlightened mcs than him out there. It's sad that because of the music (and media) industry there's so few to choose from.
Go on then Max, name some good MCs or some good beatmasters that include social commentary and political content, not hos and bitches and bling, please
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
I don't think its a case of him doing it or using his imagination, its probably a bit of both. A mixture of all sorts of stuff he has done and has heard about on the street.
top_biller
a big bowl of wrong
If you can't get in Masta Ace is at East Village I've just found out. Different end of the spectrum but...
max_freakout
Nothing matters
But there's got to be more enlightened mcs than him out there...........
Go on then Max, name some good MCs or some good beatmasters that include social commentary and political content, not hos and bitches and bling, please
the list is endless! i dont think Immortal Technoque comes anywhere near the top of the list of great non-materialistic, highly conscious MCs
KRS ONE (somewhere near the top of that list), Guru, Dead Prez, Planet Asia etc etc etc etc
kained&able
Here for the football.
Talib kweli is the top dog of the consious rappers i reckon. I *heart* kweli.
dave
dave
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
KRS ONE was good, upon a time.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Um, in Peruvian Cocaine, he clearly blames the CIA for conducting the flow of cocaine to America by sustaining corrupt dictators. Most would agree that is the case, but if you asked a government official, I'm sure they wouldn't agree.
"American Drug Distributor
Honey I'm home, nevermind why our bank account's suddenly grown
It's funny, we're so out of this debt from this money we owe
Woulda ya...mind if I told you I had two governments overthrown
To keep our son enrolled in a private school, and to keep ya tummy swollen
C'mon, our fuckin' home was built on the foundation of bloody throats
The hungry stolen of they souls, of course this country's runnin' coke
I took a stunted oath to hush the one's who know
But CIA conducts the flow of these young hustlers who lust for dough"
Where's the evidence?
Hey, at the end of the day it's just a song, right?
Have a read of "The Politics of Heroin" by Alfred McCoy.
London Eye
Active Member
Ok, so are you saying when Immortal Technique is talking about the government involvement in the drug trade he is speaking the truth, but when he is talking about government complicity in 911 he is talking bollocks and when he is talking about being in a gang that raped a woman he is maybe telling a bit of the truth and a bit making it up?
You all sound as confused about him as me
Either a man is politically aware, in which case you must listen to all he has to say, even that which you disagree with (no matter how controversial or seemingly deranged). Or he is politically ignorant, in which case everything he says must be treated as suspect, even when he mentions political accusations backed by books (there are tons of books by academics and politicians of all kinds accusing US government of complicity in 911, just citing a book doesn't make it right or wrong).
I don't see how you can cherry-pick what to accept and what to reject about this rapper. He's either real or he ain't. He can't be both.
Anyway, did anyone go and see him in the end?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Er, well, sometimes people are right about one thing, or even lots of things, and wrong about another thing.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ok, so are you saying when Immortal Technique is talking about the government involvement in the drug trade he is speaking the truth, but when he is talking about government complicity in 911 he is talking bollocks and when he is talking about being in a gang that raped a woman he is maybe telling a bit of the truth and a bit making it up?
You all sound as confused about him as me
Either a man is politically aware, in which case you must listen to all he has to say, even that which you disagree with (no matter how controversial or seemingly deranged). Or he is politically ignorant, in which case everything he says must be treated as suspect, even when he mentions political accusations backed by books (there are tons of books by academics and politicians of all kinds accusing US government of complicity in 911, just citing a book doesn't make it right or wrong).
I don't see how you can cherry-pick what to accept and what to reject about this rapper. He's either real or he ain't. He can't be both.
Yes he can.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Well, I've no idea whether that actually happened or it's just in character: I do know that, as a piece of work, you'd be foolish to listen to that track and then come away with the idea that the author was endorsing gang rape.
Nope. I'm saying have a read of The Politics of Heroin.
Too cryptic. Say what you mean ffs.
True. Other people, mind. Not me.
London Eye
Active Member
Well, I've no idea whether that actually happened or it's just in character: I do know that, as a piece of work, you'd be foolish to listen to that track and then come away with the idea that the author was endorsing gang rape.
the point of the song is a criticism of wannabe gangsters. There is no moral point made about the rape. Merely that the wannabe gangster, in trying to be as hard as the "real" gangsters ends up coming face to face with his mother.
There is no hint in the song of judgement on the "real" gangsters, who IT claims to be part of.
London Eye
Active Member
Nope. I'm saying have a read of The Politics of Heroin.
You say have a read of this book, and I'm inferring from that that you cite the book as proof that the drug war was funded by the CIA. But IT seems to also bring in the charge that the CIA/Feds were bringing in crack and deliberately pushing it in the ghettos, as a racist policy, a charge that Tupac and many others made before him. Is that in the book? How do you feel about that? Is that a part of IT that can be acceptable or a part that is "irritating" and wrong?
top_biller
a big bowl of wrong
Was the gig any good?
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
Pack Weapons Illegally
Technique Will Rip A Rapper To Pieces Indecently
I Doubt There Ever Could Be
A More Wicked Mc
Cos Aidsinfestedchildmolestersaren'tsickerthanhe
Technique Will Rip A Rapper To Pieces Indecently
I Doubt There Ever Could Be
A More Wicked Mc
Cos Aidsinfestedchildmolestersaren'tsickerthanhe
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
working out a top ten is almost imposible for me... the problem i get is that its either gotta be top ten of what im feeling right now, or most seminal, or most intricate... its a hard list to compile.... neither IT or Abs would be doing the poetic big word stuff without the daddy of multi sylabic rhyming... big daddy cane(ed and able??)
fucking hell, adrenuhlinn munky! When did you start posting here?!
kained&able
Here for the football.
By the way. Immortal technique has a new mix tape out called 3rd world produced and mixed by the always great dj green lantern. Its fairly good. Not ball grabbing on first listen too but i am loving it now.
revolutionary part 3 should be out by the end of the year as well, which is nice.
dave
revolutionary part 3 should be out by the end of the year as well, which is nice.
dave
Fictionist
Serving Eargasms....
Here are the lyrics:
http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Immortal-Technique/Dance-With-The-Devil.html
Fairly clear to me that the protagonist's life is fucked as a consequence of his actions.
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